Who is the best heavyweight of all time?

[KO'er]

Ali IMO. Beat the invincible Liston, beat Floyd Patteron in his first tenure. Then beat Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, etc in his 2nd tenure.

Though for all I know Sonny Liston could be 2nd best. He utterly dominated his era up to meeting Ali the first time, some critics were calling him the best ever, including Joe Louis. If Ali arrived later and Liston continued his dominance, his name would be thrown in strongly for the best ever. But could it be the 2nd best heavyweight of all time lost to the very best heavyweight?

[Boxing Goat]

Quite comfortably. He's faster, more skilled, and moves much better.

Didn't Broner do all those things better than Maidana as well?

I would also question him being more skilled. Vitali has never been outboxed by anyone he's ever faced. That can't be said about Ali.

[JACK1190]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZywE0AT1qY This!

[Boxing Goat]

Ali IMO. Beat the invincible Liston, beat Floyd Patteron in his first tenure. Then beat Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, etc in his 2nd tenure.

Though for all I know Sonny Liston could be 2nd best. He utterly dominated his era up to meeting Ali the first time, some critics were calling him the best ever, including Joe Louis. If Ali arrived later and Liston continued his dominance, his name would be thrown in strongly for the best ever. But could it be the 2nd best heavyweight of all time lost to the very best heavyweight?

Liston's not in the top ten let alone top 3-5.

[KO'er]

Liston's not in the top ten let alone top 3-5.

Why? He dominated from the mid-50's until the mid 60's when Ali arrived. He knocked out Cleveland Williams twice, Zora Folley, Floyd Patterson (the champion) twice, he beat Eddie Machen. There was seldom a champion as dominated and intimidating as Liston.

The guy dominated his era until the GOAT arrived.

BTW I'm not saying "Liston IS top 5". I'm just pointed out these lists are subjective so Liston could be top 5 one day and top 10 another, depending upon how you view it. We will NEVER know who the Greatest heavyweight is because it is impossible for them to fight each other in their respective primes.

[bojangles1987]

Didn't Broner do all those things better than Maidana as well?

I would also question him being more skilled. Vitali has never been outboxed by anyone he's ever faced. That can't be said about Ali.

No. He wasn't more skilled than Maidana. That was made quite clear in their fight.

You've clearly got some kind of agenda if you're actually questioning who's more skilled between Ali and Vitali.

[stefjonno1]

Ali No 1

Holmes No 2

[- Ram Raid -]

He can punch all he wants but he couldn't hurt Vitali, wouldn't out work him and was too small to avoid him for 12 rounds without losing a decision to him.
Barring a cut, Ali either gets knocked out or loses a decision.

But you can believe what you like solely based on the legend status. It's casual. It's similar to saying that Jordan is automatically better than Bryant based on merit. It may not be true but it's popular belief.

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[The Hammer]

Rocky Marciano 49-0

[kardsufur]

if ali isn't allowed to punch i'm inclined to agree with you.

nah Ali would duck all his shots and cause a rotator cuff injury which will cause vitali to quit