If Lucas Matthysse went with Robert Garcia?

[Rocky Rode]

But Devon's not Broner's bum ass. And Lucas isn't gonna turn into Shawn Porter.

Devon had a ton of close fights before Porter. Not including Mattyhsse, he had a loss to Bradley. Close(gift?) win over Kotelnik. Devon has never been anything special. He isn't much better than Broner.

Watch the Soto and Ajose fights. He's doing exactly what you guys want him to do.

You guys are only saying this because of the Danny fight. You don't go full ****** against Danny, otherwise you turn into Amir Khan.

I don't care if he was able to out brawl brawler's. That's never been an issue with him. But Mattyhsse is never going to be the one landing flashy counter punches. If he can't get a knockout he's gonna need to make the fight dirty and outwork his opponent. He needs to get his aggressiveness and work rate up or he's always going to struggle badly with counter punchers.

[jqSide]

Schaefer is set on matching up these Argentinians sometime in the future. So Garcia is the wrong option for Matthysse.

[Dr Rumack]

Watch the Soto and Ajose fights. He's doing exactly what you guys want him to do.

You guys are only saying this because of the Danny fight. You don't go full ****** against Danny, otherwise you turn into Amir Khan.

Those guys were giving him plenty to work with. The problem with Matthysse is that he's too willing to let the opponent set the pace of the fight. If the opponent isn't throwing much, Lucas tends to fight at their level and not throw much either. He'll bank on landing the more significant shots rather than winning the round with volume, which is a dangerous policy if he can't get the opponent out of there.

I'm not saying he should have waded in against Garcia, but he should have been looking to touch him and disrupt his rhythm a lot more. He could have won the fight anyway, but even if he had these are legitimate flaws.

[BUNGALOWS]

Those guys were giving him plenty to work with. The problem with Matthysse is that he's too willing to let the opponent set the pace of the fight. If the opponent isn't throwing much, Lucas tends to fight at their level and not throw much either. He'll bank on landing the more significant shots rather than winning the round with volume, which is a dangerous policy if he can't get the opponent out of there.

I'm not saying he should have waded in against Garcia, but he should have been looking to touch him and disrupt his rhythm a lot more. He could have won the fight anyway, but even if he had these are legitimate flaws.

Fair point. The more I think about it, you're right.

[BUNGALOWS]

But I still think he beats Danny in a rematch, without switching up his style.

[intoccabile]

There's a lot more to it than just putting a trainer with a fight and bam you have success.

Remember Garcia trains Rios and Rios is still Rios.

I think Garcia is just really really good and will beat Lucas 5 times out of 5.

He was slipping the left hook beautiful and coasting for the first 4-5 rounds if I remember correctly. Once the thumb happened, everything went down hill. The chances of that happening 5 out of 5 times is very slim.

[intoccabile]

Against counter punchers. That's a smart thing. The only types of fighters that do that are Khan, and look what happened to him.

Also Manny, but he the speed to let that work.

That isn't the point. The point is why he doens't work in the clinch or try his damnedest to get out of it and continue t owork. He's passive.

Everytime the counter puncher Dawson clinches Pascal, pascal damn near threw him to throw punches.

[Los Zetas]

Robert Garcia would make him worse. He is a good fighter. People forget that when he could see VS Danny, he was just winning.

[wiz1030]

Not sure it would be necessary tbh.

I don't think Rios should be an indictment against R. Garcia though. Rios said Garcia comes up with gameplans and he just doesn't follow them.

[joesaiditstrue]

how is that? those weren't freak accidents either, garcia was targeting that eye for half the fight with his power keeping matthysse at bay while picking his shots. it was no freak accident that danny's chin held up either, matthysse hit him with some amazing shots (remember the flying mouthpiece?) and danny never went into survival mode

on topic: matthysse has underrated jab and excellent footwork which are the main things garcia teaches these brawlers. matthysse is fine with his current trainer

His eye didn't swell from accumulation, there are videos showing what happened. Lucas had danny backing into a corner post and then Danny throws an open glove with his palm out to matthysse's eye, the eye swelled instantly

It was a fluke that it swelled, it wasn't from Danny "targeting" it