If Lucas Matthysse went with Robert Garcia?

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  • MDPopescu
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    #31
    Originally posted by Golovkin
    I think it would definitely help. Matthysse, IMHO, beats Garcia 4 out of 5 times. The first fight turned out to be that unusual one with all the freak accidents that happened (swollen eye, low blows, etc). I would put money on Matthysse with confidence if a rematch was to happen.
    You know it won't happen -- Danny "escaped" north already...

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    • Rocky Rode
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      #32
      Originally posted by Tom Cruise
      I don't think Matthysse needs much tweeking but there is some stuff he could work on.

      Someone mentioned earlier (dr.Rumack?) that he's waiting too long to unload punches at times. Especially when he's being held, he doesn't seem to show that urgency like he wants to get out of the clinch and start punching again. A common theme with the 3 fighters that made the final bell with him is that they were all able to spoil his work on the inside. I don't know if that's something Garcia works on specifically but Maidana worked brilliantly out of the clinch this weekend.

      Regarding Garcia i think this will always be a hard style for him. But i do think he could get the win if they fought again. Being able to stop Garcia spoiling on the inside is crucial imo
      This has always been my biggest problem with Mattyhsse. He's too passive at times and just doesn't throw as many punches as he should

      I don't know if Robert Garcia can help him with that

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        #33
        Originally posted by BUNGALOWS
        That's a strategy issue. Not a learning issue. He did what Maidana did in the Peterson fight. So, there's that.
        Maybe, i wasn't saying he should leave his trainer though. Also did he really? He hit Peterson a few times when he was being held but see him creating trying to break his arm free or push Peterson off him to create some distance.

        How many times in the Broner Maidana fight did we see the ref look to step in and break them up, only for Maidana to break free and start wailing on him again?

        That's what i want to see from Matthysse. He seems so patient, which is good generally, but it worked against him in the Garcia fight.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Rocky Rode
          This has always been my biggest problem with Mattyhsse. He's too passive at times and just doesn't throw as many punches as he should

          I don't know if Robert Garcia can help him with that
          Against counter punchers. That's a smart thing. The only types of fighters that do that are Khan, and look what happened to him.

          Also Manny, but he the speed to let that work.

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            #35
            Originally posted by MDPopescu
            You know it won't happen -- Danny "escaped" north already...
            I mean, wasn't Danny supposed to leave in a stretcher? What happened the first time doe? Oh, that's right, Lucas eye socket decided to break. Too bad.

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              #36
              Originally posted by SnakeVen0m
              I mean, wasn't Danny supposed to leave in a stretcher? What happened the first time doe? Oh, that's right, Lucas eye socket decided to break. Too bad.
              No... Danny delivered a brilliant 7th round and closed Lucas' eye -- thus concluding the fight... As you know well...

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                #37
                Originally posted by BUNGALOWS
                Against counter punchers. That's a smart thing. The only types of fighters that do that are Khan, and look what happened to him.

                Also Manny, but he the speed to let that work.
                I'm not saying he should be throwing caution to the wind every single round, but he needs to be more aggressive.

                I remember when he dropped Devon Alexander in their fight. He backed off him right after and ended up losing the next round. He let's these counter punchers outwork him. With his style, it's a dumb thing to do.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                  Maybe, i wasn't saying he should leave his trainer though. Also did he really? He hit Peterson a few times when he was being held but see him creating trying to break his arm free or push Peterson off him to create some distance.

                  How many times in the Broner Maidana fight did we see the ref look to step in and break them up, only for Maidana to break free and start wailing on him again?

                  That's what i want to see from Matthysse. He seems so patient, which is good generally, but it worked against him in the Garcia fight.
                  He did exactly that in every clinch. Re watch the fight. Show me one clinch that Lucas wasn't punching like crazy. You can't.

                  It depends on his opponents.

                  He's not fighting bums like Broner. Garcia and Alexander kind of know how to box. And you can't turn his style in Porter's.

                  He is a methodical, sometimes free swinging fighter that uses his brains in the ring. Nothing's wrong with that, and if he didn't get that unfortunate eye swelling, and ended up winning, we wouldn't be saying ****.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Rocky Rode
                    I'm not saying he should be throwing caution to the wind every single round, but he needs to be more aggressive.

                    I remember when he dropped Devon Alexander in their fight. He backed off him right after and ended up losing the next round. He let's these counter punchers outwork him. With his style, it's a dumb thing to do.
                    But Devon's not Broner's bum ass. And Lucas isn't gonna turn into Shawn Porter.

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                      #40
                      Watch the Soto and Ajose fights. He's doing exactly what you guys want him to do.

                      You guys are only saying this because of the Danny fight. You don't go full ****** against Danny, otherwise you turn into Amir Khan.

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