Would Floyd actually outbox Rigondeaux p4p?

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  • The Gambler1981
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    #181
    Originally posted by Col. Hans Landa

    Donaire suffered the same problem Pacquiao did.. his opponents were aware of his dangerous counter punching so were reluctant in leaving any openings and anyone that did try to fight fire with fire ended up getting splattered... I still can't see anyone on Floyds resume that is a better p4p fighter than Donaire


    Donaire is no better than Chico, they wee both fearsome punches that were hurting everyone in front of them and large for their classes but they were not able to cope with superior boxes. Donaire was faster sure, but Chico was tougher and had more heart.


    Donaire is not even close to like Pacquiao, Donaire is a one punch at a time guy while Pacquaio throws a bunch. Pacquiao also counters differently he makes a move forcing the other guy to move then making them pay, Donaire waits around. Watch the Narvaez fight, that fight gives the impression a guy a bit better a bit more daring would beat Donaire, Rigondeaux proved that is what he was because he didn't allow Donaire to counter him (which Narvaez did) and he was able to take advantage of Donaires predictable attacks (which Narvaez was not able to do).

    That wasn't obvious before the fight that Rigondeaux could do that, but that fight should have made anyone thing Donaire might have issues.

    Donaire is an excellent win, but you are talking hyperbole without really looking at his issues before or in that fight, or after. Donaire is about half as good as you are making out
    Last edited by The Gambler1981; 12-10-2013, 03:42 PM.

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      #182
      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
      donaire is better than floyd's recent wins, but Donaire was not as good as a castillo, genaro, corrales

      Donaire was a good fighter, but he always needed to be the bigger more athletic guy,,,
      I had him top 5 p4p when rigo undressed him, so i do consider that a great win, i just dont think that donaire is as good as the guys i mentioned

      And one big win doesnt make you the greatest, Tarver beat p4p #1 jones, but you couldnt say he is better than floyd
      How could you put Donaire on the same level as the Genero Hernandez that Floyd fought? The dude practically needed a walker to get to the ring he was so old.

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        #183
        Originally posted by !! Shawn
        How could you put Donaire on the same level as the Genero Hernandez that Floyd fought? The dude practically needed a walker to get to the ring he was so old.
        And Donaire had totally fallen in love with his power thus was nowhere near as good as people were believing.

        He was a piss poor boxer (technically) that relied on his physical tools, he was like a 122 pound Shane Mosley that got exposed by Vernon Forrest.

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          #184
          Originally posted by DempseyRollin
          He wouldn't outbox him, he would out fight him. If ppl actually think floyd wouldnt get and then tear Rigo up on the inside they they still grossly underestimate floyd
          You think Floyd would all the sudden turn into the greatest pressure fighter the world has ever seen because he is facing Rigondeaux? When have we ever seen Floyd turn into an inside pressure fighter?

          Fighting inside against someone who is coming inside on you is a HELL of a lot different than being the guy that is moving inside and applying the pressure.

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            #185
            Originally posted by MODAPHUKA
            I dont know who wins but I can tell you one thing.

            Floyd can be dominant fighting backwards (aka backpedaling). We all know that.
            But the way he fights going forward is also very slick. He does have an "attack game". And its almost as impeccable. He barely gets hit.

            That's something I haven't seen Rigondeaux do.

            Someone said Rigo's defense is better. Just flat out better? It blows my mind.
            Rigo gets hit less than Floyd, that makes his defense better. Its not some subjective measurement. His defense is just better, its fact. The numbers show it, its not arguable.

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              #186
              Originally posted by !! Shawn
              How could you put Donaire on the same level as the Genero Hernandez that Floyd fought? The dude practically needed a walker to get to the ring he was so old.
              lol,,, I think thats an overstatement,, Genaro is a HOF caliber fighter that only lost to prime oscar, and prime floyd,, no shame in that,,

              Donaire is a really good fighter, but i think he also got alot of hype for beating up smaller guys like arce, naverez, pretty much everyone at 118, Mathebula was about the only guy that could match his size, but had nowhere near the skill level of donaire
              IMO donaire would have looked really ordinary if he ever fought christina mijares, that was a fight i always wanted to see, but for some reason his name never gets brought up..

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                #187
                Originally posted by !! Shawn
                Rigo gets hit less than Floyd, that makes his defense better. Its not some subjective measurement. His defense is just better, its fact. The numbers show it, its not arguable.
                When Floyd is on his bicycle he is not. When Floyd takes risk , he gets hit. But Rigo never takes risk. He is always outside pot shoting. And he is a master at it.

                That's also a fact. Don't ignore it when looking at the numbers.
                Last edited by MODAPHUKA; 12-10-2013, 03:59 PM.

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                  #188
                  Originally posted by !! Shawn
                  Rigo gets hit less than Floyd, that makes his defense better. Its not some subjective measurement. His defense is just better, its fact. The numbers show it, its not arguable.
                  floyd has been in with much better overall competition,, rigo has faced 2 guys,, floyd has faced nearly 20 top guys,, So i dont think their punch stats are a good parameter to judge them..

                  let rigo fight kiko, mares, doniare rematch, chemito moreno, etc and see if he has the same outstanding stats


                  Rigo has been dropped twice in his career,, how many times has floyd's arse have touched the ground

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                    #189
                    Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
                    Rigo has not even faced a Hatton type fighter, a Dlh type fighter, or a Jesus Chavez type fighter that will walk through his boxing skills with FT pressure and force Rigo to fight.

                    Rigo has not even shown us that he can fight on the inside to even compare him to Floyd defensively. You're truly one of the worst because you can't set aside your phony ass bias for Floyd.
                    People could walk through Floyds offense because he doesn't hit that hard. People don't walk through Rigo's offense because if you walk to Rigo, you get dropped.

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                      #190
                      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                      floyd has been in with much better overall competition,, rigo has faced 2 guys,, floyd has faced nearly 20 top guys,, So i dont think their punch stats are a good parameter to judge them..

                      let rigo fight kiko, mares, doniare rematch, chemito moreno, etc and see if he has the same outstanding stats


                      Rigo has been dropped twice in his career,, how many times has floyd's arse have touched the ground
                      Floyd got hit cleanly more times by Cotto than Rigo has gotten hit cleanly in his entire career.

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