Are The Klitschkos Some of The Worst Heavyweight Champions Of All Time?

[StarshipTrooper]

The Klitschko's have been defeated 5 times & I guarantee you those were there most exciting fights according to everyone who thinks they're boring. This is because there 100 plus other fights that all ended in W's were some of the most onesided beatdowns ever seen in a boxing ring & 85-90% of there fights have ended in stoppages.

The way most make them out to be.. you'd think all there fights ended in boring decisions.. Larry Holmes was way more boring & didn't even get stoppages at the end of the night. Lennox Lewis got less stoppages & most of the time was thinking safety first before he unloaded. Bowe... Holyfield Frazier Ali.. Louis all had MORE fights end in boring & More disputed decisions.. even Tyson & Foreman went the distance more.


Both brothers have been more dominant than all the other past greats & former champions... if there fights were a little more competitive EVERYONE else gets elevated & that is there supposed weak competition.


Ali's comp is some of the most overrated we've ever seen & that is because Ali did NOT dominate most of them.. rather let them stick around & even stole a couple of W's... has anyone of THE KLITSCHKO'S 100 victories ever been disputed?


There defeats have.. because they involved situations that occurred during bouts they were normally dominating... only a 2 rd destruction is the SOLE lone legitimate beatdown of them... there's never been anyone like them & there'll never be.. the brothers are hated more because of jealousy than anything else because everything has come so easy for them & all of you's know it!

^^^^^ Oh how cute, Wlad Ownz is back with a new alt. I wonder what the over and under is on him getting this one banned before he hits 100 posts :thinking9:

[LacedUp]

Well worst in terms of entertainment, many would disagree with you there. Wladimir can be 'boring' at times, but he has perfected his methodical style into a work of art. Vitali is quite a different fighter from Wlad style wise, and I personally find his style entertaining. He always goes toe to toe, isn't afraid to exchange, etc. He's a beautifully technical boxer as well, if you study him closely.

The biggest tv company in Germany, RTL, has made multi millionaire contracts with them, so your argument that tv wants none of them is obviously bull. They're huge stars in Germany and Europe in general.

They will indeed be spoken of in the same sense as the other greats of the past, for decades to come, and they will go down in history for their unique achievements as HW brothers. Most unbiased observers will agree on this, even if they don't particularly like the Klitschkos.

Well, in terms of being the actual champions, not just belt holders - I don't think there's been any less entertaining champions since before Rocky Marciano. The closest is Lennox Lewis, but at least he went to work on fighters in the first rounds a dozen or so times as an established fighter - I haven't seen the Klitschko's do that. Not Vitali, nor Wladimir. Except Vitali's fight against Hide, when he was still a relatively unknown quantity to the wider boxing public.

As far as I know, RTL put forward something like £1,75million to the Haye-Klitschko fight which is why Haye wanted it on ARD as they offered more. And I also said the bigger TV stations - of course they have their main station at home - but they are still not on PPV. If they were popular enough, they would be on PPV it's as simple as that.

I disagree with your assessment of Vitali's style. He's not a toe-to-toe fighter. That's not saying he's afraid to exchange - but he generally stands on the outside hammering the right hand continuously until his opponent has broken down. At least post comeback Vitali.

Wladimir's style a work of art? Come on man. He's a spoiler.

[LacedUp]

Fighters' talent is of course vital, but you can't deny the importance of trainers.

Steward is a good trainer, in fact he was training Lennox Lewis, who beat Vitali. If Vitali had been trained under Steward and Lennox had a different trainer, would the outcome of the fight not have been different?

Also, Lamon Brewster had been training under Bill Slayton, who'd once trained Ken Norton, and Lamon dedicated his win over Klitschko to Slayton, who passed away some months before the fight.

Brewster lost Slayton and Wladimir gained Steward during that time. Over three years later they fought again and Wladimir won. Coincidence?

I'm saying that a lot of credit does in fact go to Steward. Most heavyweights in the division today never had the advantage of an elite trainer like Steward.

Guys like Dundee, Futch, D'Amato, etc. could turn Wilder into a weapon of mass destruction if they were alive today.

Steward was with Klitschko for the first Brewster fight.

[R_Walken]

Personally Klitchkos are the best heavyweight in an absolute garbage era( Maybe the worst in history ) . Are they all time greats not a chance I say this because neither has a single W over a elite or A grade fighter.

I can't even watch them every time I do I realize how boring and garbage the HW division is. If you compare heavyweight fights from the 60 - 90's you realize how much better the division used to be It's a shame what it is now most of the top ranked guys are 3rd rate Euro Bums.


Cant wait for both of them to retire or lose .

[Jam Jars]

Vitali has never been the Champion only a title holder. Wlad is the worst for holding there's ever been in the sport, he wouldn't be beating these D level fighters so easily if he was prevented from doing it, like he should be.

[Simurgh]

They are among the best ever in HW.

>6"6', >245lbs, very athletic, great amateur pedigree..

Obviously they are different.

Wlad - power in both hands to take anyone out, one of the best jabs ever, one of the hardest punchers ever, extremely good left hook (can take you out), excellent distance control, always in shape..

Vitali - extremely powerful, amazing reflexes, great ring generalship, one of the best chins ever, warrior heart, very awkward and hard to fight..

[Weltschmerz]

Well, in terms of being the actual champions, not just belt holders - I don't think there's been any less entertaining champions since before Rocky Marciano. The closest is Lennox Lewis, but at least he went to work on fighters in the first rounds a dozen or so times as an established fighter - I haven't seen the Klitschko's do that. Not Vitali, nor Wladimir. Except Vitali's fight against Hide, when he was still a relatively unknown quantity to the wider boxing public.

As far as I know, RTL put forward something like £1,75million to the Haye-Klitschko fight which is why Haye wanted it on ARD as they offered more. And I also said the bigger TV stations - of course they have their main station at home - but they are still not on PPV. If they were popular enough, they would be on PPV it's as simple as that.

I disagree with your assessment of Vitali's style. He's not a toe-to-toe fighter. That's not saying he's afraid to exchange - but he generally stands on the outside hammering the right hand continuously until his opponent has broken down. At least post comeback Vitali.

Wladimir's style a work of art? Come on man. He's a spoiler.

They're only not on ppv because they're not American. It's not an argument to give when it comes to greatness.

[LacedUp]

They're only not on ppv because they're not American. It's not an argument to give when it comes to greatness.

So why are they not on PPV in Germany?

"Because RTL don't do PPV" - Bernd Boente.

"Yeah, but if there was demand for it they'd find a way" - Andrew Whittaker.

It's not a measure of greatness per se, no. But it shows you how much interest there is in their fights. But you are right though, if they were american they would have probably been one HBO ppv once or twice.

[Juof]

I dont really like them but they are the best in there era and would give past greats hell so i say yes they are some of the best of heavyweights of all time

[TGD]

A pair of wankers.