Ward did not clean out his division

[-PBP-]

ok legit question. who had more power between ottke, calzaghe, and ward? i think ottke. he scored a couple brutal ko's during his career. ward and calzaghe...........i just don't know

Jeff Lacy of course. Power is everything.

[Tay Roc]

Ok how about after Ward avoided Bute after Bute called him out,Would you say Ward cleaned out the division then?Or would you say Ward cleaned out the division after Froch beat Bute?

I wouldn't say he ducked anyone. He said Bute had to prove he earned a fight against him, then Super 6 Champion. He recommended he (Bute) fight Sakio Bika or someone of that calibur to prove his worth. I believe Bute then fought Froch and was ko'd. I would say the division cleaned out itself moreso than Ward cleaning it out with respect to the Bute fight. If Bute won, he would have had a strong chance of fighting Ward (obviously I am speculating), and if Ward ducked him, then I would say he did not clean out the division. However, since the division "cleaned out" itself, the Bute fight not longer was necessary or realistic.

No, but he has to face the other champions. He hasn't fought Stieglitz. He's obviously be favourite but boxing doesn't take place on paper.

There are probably 72 SMW "Champions." I don't think Ward has to unify every belt to have "cleaned out" the division. Even if he didn't fight one or two top 10 guys, I would still consider it cleaning out the division in Ward's case. Few were clamoring for a Stieglitz fight, but a lot of people wanted to see Bute. That became a moot point when Froch ko'd him imo.

As to boxing taking place on paper, you lost me with that. Not sure how that fits into this calculus.

[Sweet Pea 50]

how about before? ward kept spouting off about how bute hadn't proved himself, but he just fought delvin rodriguez so........yea.........

Bute moved to LHW after the Froch destruction, and struggled against a 12 fight Denis Grachev.

Again, I would have liked to see the two of them have a go, but there were circumstances that prevented it from happening, at least at 168.

Bute has a fight with Pascal coming up (For the NABF LHW title). Maybe he will become a name again if he looks impressive.

[daggum]

I wouldn't say he ducked anyone. He said Bute had to prove he earned a fight against him, then Super 6 Champion. He recommended he (Bute) fight Sakio Bika or someone of that calibur to prove his worth. I believe Bute then fought Froch and was ko'd. I would say the division cleaned out itself moreso than Ward cleaning it out with respect to the Bute fight. If Bute won, he would have had a strong chance of fighting Ward (obviously I am speculating), and if Ward ducked him, then I would say he did not clean out the division. However, since the division "cleaned out" itself, the Bute fight not longer was necessary or realistic.



There are probably 72 SMW "Champions." I don't think Ward has to unify every belt to have "cleaned out" the division. Even if he didn't fight one or two top 10 guys, I would still consider it cleaning out the division in Ward's case. Few were clamoring for a Stieglitz fight, but a lot of people wanted to see Bute. That became a moot point when Froch ko'd him imo.

As to boxing taking place on paper, you lost me with that. Not sure how that fits into this calculus.

aka he didn't want to fight him. telling someone else to fight someone else is a bi-tch move. why didn't ward tell delvin rodriguez to fight bika or froch? ward was happy to fight that bum. what did delvin prove? bute was certainly better than him. i can't believe fans just repeat boxers bull**** like its absolute truth. bute was also the biggest money fight for ward and he said no.

[daggum]

Bute moved to LHW after the Froch destruction, and struggled against a 12 fight Denis Grachev.

Again, I would have liked to see the two of them have a go, but there were circumstances that prevented it from happening, at least at 168.

Bute has a fight with Pascal coming up (For the NABF LHW title). Maybe he will become a name again if he looks impressive.

yes ward's cowardice was a circumstance.

[Sweet Pea 50]

yes ward's cowardice was a circumstance.

I swear, somebody is going to be saying that Golovkin was ducking David Lemeuix in a couple of fucking years.

[daggum]

I swear, somebody is going to be saying that Golovkin was ducking David Lemeuix in a couple of fucking years.

was david lemeiux rated #1 and did golovking say the #1 guy has to prove himself?

[Grimmer]

He beat the divisions 2 best fighters since Calzaghe retired. Mikkel Kessler and Carl Froch.

He beat Kessler as an underdog when Kessler was considered the best in the division and Super Six favourite in the post Calzaghe vacuum. He beat Carl Froch 6 months before Froch went and tore apart the only the Super Middleweight in the picture Bute. He's also beat Abraham who beat Steiglitz. As said above it's not about beating every ranked fighter, but beating the best ones, who between them have cleared up. And he beat those fighters decisively to prove he was best.

[JDezi4]

So cleaning out the division means u have to beat the Champs... Well I guess not then...

He is still the best in the division by far though, so... Who cares really?

He cleaned out the BEST fighters in the division, so... He does what he can

[Mike_R]

He won the super 6 tournament. This is why people say he cleaned out the division.

There are definitely people he still hasn't fought yet, but not a single one mentioned would beat Ward.