Sergio Martinez is Slick?

[BafanaBafana]

I think this quote has a very good definition of what essentially entails a slick boxer:

A slick fighter is one who has good defense as well as the ability to slip or dodge punches to avoid being hit due to their movement and elusiveness. Slick boxers have very good foot and upper body (head and shoulder) movement and the majority of them can come at you from odd angles while still being effective and they are good counterpunchers- they are masters at hitting and not getting hit at the same time. Some slick boxers use the Philly shell since it's great for countering and slipping punches while others fight primarily with their hands down by their sides (most of the time, the lead hand is significantly lower than the rear hand) and use their head movement to get out of the way of oncoming blows or they put their hands up just in time to block the incoming shot.

Slick boxers are also not aggressive and typically pick their shots well, meaning that they do not waste punches, which is why many times, the connect percentages of slick boxers is very high but at the same time, they are rarely knockout punchers because they do not take unnecessary risks- winning the fight is their first priority, not entertaining the fans or scoring knockouts: if the knockout comes, it will come but they are not going to go looking for it because they are too smart for that.

Out of the boxers that you listed, I would say that Steve Forbes was a slick boxer, Winky Wright was not- he was more conventional with his peekaboo defense, Bernard Hopkins is kind of a hybrid between a slick boxer and a conventional one although I guess he can be considered one, and Sergio Martinez is also a slick boxer- he fights with his hands down and is an excellent counter puncher. Some other current slick boxers who are well known include; Chad Dawson, Andre Dirrell, Floyd Mayweather, Luis Collazo, Paul Malignaggi, and Ivan Calderon.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I think this quote has a very good definition of what essentially entails a slick boxer:

Chad Dawson, Dirrell, Malignaggi.....


Goes to my initial point most boxing fans don't know what slick is, I don't think it's subjective either and I know in saying that I'm pretty much going against what most are saying on here. Just listen for a moment, slick has always been associated with being deceptive, Dawson, Dirrell and Malignaggi aren't deceptive.

Deceptive: Giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading.

Being deceptive isn't style restricted either, whoever wrote that is clueless, extremely clueless.

[-Kev-]

I don't think so. In fights where he won or seemingly won, he got hit a lot. Cintron, Pavlik, Williams, Murray, Macklin, Barker, all of these guys hit him at will.

[BafanaBafana]

Chad Dawson, Dirrell, Malignaggi.....


Goes to my initial point most boxing fans don't know what slick is, I don't think it's subjective either and I know in saying that I'm pretty much going against what most are saying on here. Just listen for a moment, slick has always been associated with being deceptive, Dawson, Dirrell and Malignaggi aren't deceptive.

Deceptive: Giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading.

Being deceptive isn't style restricted either, whoever wrote that is clueless, extremely clueless.

Dawson, Dirrell, and Malinaggi fight in a style that can be described as slikc. Morales... No, but he has a greater legacy than any of the other three ever will. Being deceptive can be a quality of slickness but it doesn't define it. I really don't care what your personal opinion of what slick is, but you should learn to respect others' opinions. Slick is a style, not a measure of effective boxing.

[BafanaBafana]

I don't think so. In fights where he won or seemingly won, he got hit a lot. Cintron, Pavlik, Williams, Murray, Macklin, Barker, all of these guys hit him at will.

How did Cintron hit him at will? He only hit him 103 times over 12 rounds! Guess what? Guerrero hit Mayweather 114 times, De La Hoya hit him 123 times, Canelo landed 117 times, I guess they all hit Mayweather at will then.

Macklin only landed 134 punches on Sergio, and probably only a couple were clean. Pavlik didn't hit Martinez at will either and neither did Barker. Three of the guys listed were KO'd and a fourth should have been KO'd (after being counted out) but was given 5 min to recuperate instead.

[-Kev-]

I do not think Morales is slick either. He may have been slick against lesser opposition, but every one could. Margarito showed some slickness against Roberto Garcia, if Margarito fought 40 Roberto Garcia's he'd be labeled slick.

Put Morales against Raheem to see how slick he really is. Pretty much not slick at all. Can a slick fighter really be outslicked that badly? A fight between two slicksters would end up being a competitive chess match, not a one-sided boxing lesson.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Dawson, Dirrell, and Malinaggi fight in a style that can be described as slikc. Morales... No, but he has a greater legacy than any of the other three ever will. Being deceptive can be a quality of slickness but it doesn't define it. I really don't care what your personal opinion of what slick is, but you should learn to respect others' opinions. Slick is a style, not a measure of effective boxing.

Slick is to be deceptive, I'm starting to think you never uttered the words before. Has anyone in life ever tried to rip you off, big or small, could have been a sibling (doesn't matter) and you caught on and responded by saying "You think you slick". Name one other word that can be more attached to slick than deceptive. Then tell me if Dirrell, Dawson or Malignaggi are slick

Slick fighters are fuckin' rare too, lets understand that as well.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Dawson, Dirrell, and Malinaggi fight in a style that can be described as slikc. Morales... No, but he has a greater legacy than any of the other three ever will. Being deceptive can be a quality of slickness but it doesn't define it. I really don't care what your personal opinion of what slick is, but you should learn to respect others' opinions. Slick is a style, not a measure of effective boxing.

Morales' approach offensively, the way he was able to bait his opponents was slick. Like I said, there are fighters who can occasionally pull off slick moves that I wouldn't classify as slick but Erik was certainly slicker than Martinez.

[BafanaBafana]

Slick is to be deceptive, I'm starting to think you never uttered the words before. Has anyone in life ever tried to rip you off, big or small, could have been a sibling (doesn't matter) and you caught on and responded by saying "You think you slick". Name one other word that can be more attached to slick than deceptive. Then tell me if Dirrell, Dawson or Malignaggi are slick

Slick fighters are fuckin' rare too, lets understand that as well.

Slick (smooth and slippery) and deceptive (misleading; illusory) are not directly related. I don't think your definition of slick is the consensus definition, but you're entitled to your opinion, I'll stick w/mine.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Slick (smooth and slippery) and deceptive (misleading; illusory) are not directly related. I don't think your definition of slick is the consensus definition, but you're entitled to your opinion, I'll stick w/mine.

Be my guest then