Sergio Martinez is Slick?

[-Kev-]

How did Cintron hit him at will? He only hit him 103 times over 12 rounds! Guess what? Guerrero hit Mayweather 114 times, De La Hoya hit him 123 times, Canelo landed 117 times, I guess they all hit Mayweather at will then.

Macklin only landed 134 punches on Sergio, and probably only a couple were clean. Pavlik didn't hit Martinez at will either and neither did Barker. Three of the guys listed were KO'd and a fourth should have been KO'd (after being counted out) but was given 5 min to recuperate instead.

Guerrero was actually competitive, as much as people want to down play his performance. That was as competitive as it gets for the WW version of Floyd.

Pavlik KD'ed Martinez and was tagging him a bunch of times, Barker broke Martinez's nose in the first few rounds. Murray knocked him down twice.

When I say landed at will, don't take it literal. For a "slick" fighter, Martinez showed no slickness in those fights. Just because he hangs his arms down like a monkey and smiles around the ring getting tagged, doesn't mean he's slick.

Broner ain't defensive just cause he copies a defensive fighters' stance. Pascal and Martinez aren't Roy Jones just cause they stand and try to square up like him.

When a fighter gets hit at will, I don't mean 50-60% of their punches landed. Getting hit 30% of the times is already a lot, you certainly are not defensive or slick if you are getting hit 30% of the time(total punches). Barker landed 38% of his punches[42% power punches], Macklin 29%[40% power], Pavlik 31% (45% power punches same as what Martinez landed). Williams 33% power punches.

When fighters are landing 40% of their power punches on you, sorry, but that is not slick at all, that is a KO waiting to happen once he fights a puncher. Fighters landing 28-32% of his power punches should be considered a lot in Mayweather standards. And 19% total punches landed, 18-22% is about the average landed on Mayweather. That is what you call slick.

[Canelo Phresh]

Slick is subjective, it's not a fact or fiction.

But given by my terms of slickness, sly footwork, good head movement, good speed, can swim without getting wet... he's decently slick... his slickness is depleting though.

Pretty accurate analysis.

[BafanaBafana]

Guerrero was actually competitive, as much as people want to down play his performance. That was as competitive as it gets for the WW version of Floyd.

Pavlik KD'ed Martinez and was tagging him a bunch of times, Barker broke Martinez's nose in the first few rounds. Murray knocked him down twice.

When I say landed at will, don't take it literal. For a "slick" fighter, Martinez showed no slickness in those fights. Just because he hangs his arms down like a monkey and smiles around the ring getting tagged, doesn't mean he's slick.

Broner ain't defensive just cause he copies a defensive fighters' stance. Pascal and Martinez aren't Roy Jones just cause they stand and try to square up like him.

No one should be held to Mayweather's defensive standards, I just brought up Mayweather (one of the greatest defensive technicians of all time) because you apparently thought getting hit 103 times over 12 rounds was equivalent to"getting hit at will."

I don't think Sergio is a defensively slick fighter, the guy fights with his hands down afterall, I think his defense is mostly in his legs. He uses movement to lower his opponents out put and cause them to reset their offense.

Offensively I would consider him slick, at his best he has very fast feet and handspeed, good head movement, and is good at setting up counterpunches (his opponents don't see).

Pavlik KD'ed Martinez and was tagging him a bunch of times, Barker broke Martinez's nose in the first few rounds. Murray knocked him down twice.

If you look at the Pavlik knockdown, Kelly actually tripped Martinez (he had his knee bent behind Sergio's feet, thus Sergio tripped as he was backing away). Murray stepped on Sergio's foot in the first knockdown and in the second he blatantly hit Sergio behind the ear, Sergio wasn't legitimately hurt either time. Cotto crushed Mayweather's nose, that doesn't mean he was giving Mayweather a beating. Barker maybe won 1 round (3 tops) in that fight and ended the fight on the canvas.

One of his weaknesses is that he is constantly moving and sometimes too light on his feet and is thus often caught off balance.

When a fighter gets hit at will, I don't mean 50-60% of their punches landed. Getting hit 30% of the times is already a lot, you certainly are not defensive or slick if you are getting hit 30% of the time(total punches). Barker landed 38% of his punches[42% power punches], Macklin 29%[40% power], Pavlik 31% (45% power punches same as what Martinez landed). Williams 33% power punches.

Keep in mind Bika (who landed over 200 punches) hit Ward with 33% of his punches and 40% of his power punches. Abraham landed 47% of his punches on Ward and 60% of his power punches and yet Andre Ward is considered an excellent defensive fighter (I believe he is).

When fighters are landing 40% of their power punches on you, sorry, but that is not slick at all, that is a KO waiting to happen once he fights a puncher. Fighters landing 28-32% of his power punches should be considered a lot in Mayweather standards. And 19% total punches landed, 18-22% is about the average landed on Mayweather. That is what you call slick.

Like I said, no one should be held to Mayweather's standard because he is definitely the best defensive fighter of our era and one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time.

[NearHypnos]

Guerrero was actually competitive, as much as people want to down play his performance. That was as competitive as it gets for the WW version of Floyd.

Pavlik KD'ed Martinez and was tagging him a bunch of times, Barker broke Martinez's nose in the first few rounds. Murray knocked him down twice.

When I say landed at will, don't take it literal. For a "slick" fighter, Martinez showed no slickness in those fights. Just because he hangs his arms down like a monkey and smiles around the ring getting tagged, doesn't mean he's slick.

Broner ain't defensive just cause he copies a defensive fighters' stance. Pascal and Martinez aren't Roy Jones just cause they stand and try to square up like him.

When a fighter gets hit at will, I don't mean 50-60% of their punches landed. Getting hit 30% of the times is already a lot, you certainly are not defensive or slick if you are getting hit 30% of the time(total punches). Barker landed 38% of his punches[42% power punches], Macklin 29%[40% power], Pavlik 31% (45% power punches same as what Martinez landed). Williams 33% power punches.

When fighters are landing 40% of their power punches on you, sorry, but that is not slick at all, that is a KO waiting to happen once he fights a puncher. Fighters landing 28-32% of his power punches should be considered a lot in Mayweather standards. And 19% total punches landed, 18-22% is about the average landed on Mayweather. That is what you call slick.

Let's not act like that Pavlik KD was anything other than a balance KD. And he has fought some pretty big punchers. Pavlik himself was a huge puncher with a size adv and JR is a good puncher with an even bigger size adv. macklin is by no means feather fisted and Murray is a big strong dude who landed a nice ounch on a gimpy dude with a bad knee injury in the rain going back. Cintrom himself used to be known as quite the puncher, likewise for P Will who could hit hard for a dude who threw so much. Barker seems like an average puncher though but ish happens. We have to realize Martinez has literally seemed to be fighting at a size disadvantage ever since moving up. He's not big as a MW and is fighting guys who seem more like natural 168 ers or bigger (Chavez and Pavlik).

I do agree with the rest off what you said though.

For me slick doesnt mean impossible to hit, an we're also shooting in extreme examples of guys like Floyd whos a defensively slick atg and gets hit much less by design. Martinez is an offensively slick type. Part of the reason he is considered old is his legs deteriorating rapidly and though he does get hit he takes steam off a lot by rolling and stepping with punches. Martinez is fairly agressive for a fighter that goes backwards a lot (or that is mobile). For a guy fighting with his hands down and rolls that well with his punches yet engages fully as much as he does then taking that into consideration he's a slick type hybrid fighter. He's an exceptional athlete with good boxing instincts but a fighters heart imo so its kind of hard to say I guess. There i definitely a slick quality there though

[elgranluchadore]

he was slick, check out his fight vs bunema. he is getting old and his legs are not the same so he is getting hit more.

[Light_Speed]

Get of your high horse. What I meant was it would be highly unlikely that he would catch Paul coming in , committing himself and getting hit clean with a punch he didn't see coming again. That is alot of varibles, even Paul had seeing the punch before it landed would take a lot out of the punch. I exaggerated of course with the 100 fights but I stand by my point.

Williams was a volume puncher with very poor defense, he got caught with many shots he didn't see coming throughout his career. You don't understand that Martinez and his team studied the first fight and came up with a strategy : catch Williams with the overhand left as he comes in and throws his own left hand. That was the plan, it wasn't luck.

[A-Wolf]

People call Bradley slick FFS.

[pistol whip]

I'm not trying to be racist in anyway Im just asking the question.


If Sergio Martinez was black would every naysayer on this thread even question how slick he is?


Of course they ***ing wouldnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the same Message Board that said a month ago that Timmy Bradley is this slick shiiiiiit fighter despite having numerous fights were he was hit almost at will!