Sergio Martinez is Slick?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'm confused here, I mean...Morales style was literally based off of feinting. Please go watch him......

[BafanaBafana]

timing doesn't make you slick, dude.


and never once did i mention erik morales, but he is much more slick than martinez, especially later in his career.


just look at martinez after his speed left him. athletic does not mean slick.

It was actually Tenma who mentioned Morales I think, I got you guys confused because you both sound like the same guy and I guess it doesn't matter because you both appear to think the same anyway.

So how about Morales now? How did he look after his athleticism left him?

And Martinez was fighting with a broken hand and a torn ACL, he fought about as well as anyone else with those kind of injuries could have fought.

Boxing is a sport, athleticism is a part of slickness, ring IQ is not slickness. Roy Jones was a slick fighter because he had excellent speed, movement, reflexes and athleticism. Keep in mind that a slick fighter isn't necessarily a great fighter, slickness is more of a style (it's an adjective).

You seem to be getting ring IQ confused w/slickness... but that's okay, you're entitled to your opinion. Slickness is a very subjective term and we clearly have different definitions.

[Doctor_Tenma]

It was actually Tenma who mentioned Morales I think, I got you guys confused because you both sound like the same guy and I guess it doesn't matter because you both appear to think the same anyway.

So how about Morales now? How did he look after his athleticism left him?

And Martinez was fighting with a broken hand and a torn ACL, he fought about as well as anyone else with those kind of injuries could have fought.

Boxing is a sport, athleticism is a part of slickness, ring IQ is not slickness. Roy Jones was a slick fighter because he had excellent speed, movement, reflexes and athleticism. Keep in mind that a slick fighter isn't necessarily a great fighter, slickness is more of a style (it's an adjective).

You seem to be getting ring IQ confused w/slickness... but that's okay, you're entitled to your opinion. Slickness is a very subjective term and we clearly have different definitions.

Still had a shitload of success baiting Maidana and Danny Garcia (First fight) into counters

[Spray_resistant]

He is slick but is a gamesman, he will stand and fight to prove he is more man than his opponent even when he could be more careful we have seen this many times in Sergio.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Trickery isn't a natural occurrence in the ring, one can be great without it but slickness ain't something you see very often. Bernard Hopkins' right hand is probably the trickiest right hand I've ever seen, and he doesn't have the raw speed of a Mayweather to pull off these lead right hands. Hopkins keeps a poker face or at times he'll look like he's half asleep, then he'll step off giving you the impression that he wants to box and before you know he has your head snapping back with a crisp lead right hand as he's coming forward. Hopkins will also quickly step in with the sole intention of stepping out, get you to commit and then counter with a short right hand usually over the top. Hopkins can be classified as slick because his style is built around being tricky. Martinez isn't slick, nor does he pull off slick moves.

[BafanaBafana]

Still had a shitload of success baiting Maidana and Danny Garcia (First fight) into counters

I don't remember Morales feinting in those three fights, all I remember is him showing his bravado by walking into shots to land his own. I'm not saying he doesn't feint, all fighters occasionally feint to set up power punches (its boxing 101), however, I don't think being able to feint makes you (whether it's Morales or anyone else) a slick fighter.

Also Morales did not look good in those three fights (that's why he lost all three and got KO'd in one)... I'm not sure where your getting at. The older Sergio w/a broken hand and torn ACL actually looked better in his last fight and even landed some good overhand left counters at times.

[FightFit]

I think martinez is an inn and out type boxer puncher very athletic he can and has done some slick unorthodox moves, that second fight against the great paul williams he was a sniper with boxing gloves

[Doctor_Tenma]

I don't remember Morales feinting in those three fights, all I remember is him showing his bravado by walking into shots to land his own. I'm not saying he doesn't feint, all fighters occasionally feint to set up power punches (its boxing 101), however, I don't think being able to feint makes you (whether it's Morales or anyone else) a slick fighter.

That's the epitome of slickness, to show your opponent one thing and give them another successfully. To say it's boxing 101 doesn't mean a thing, I've seen plenty of boxing fans draw that card on me and I always tell them, we got top fighters today who lack basic fundamentals. You may see a lot of feinting but very few apply it successfully.

[BattleAxePurist]

More smooth w/his movement than slick w/his style.

[BafanaBafana]

That's the epitome of slickness, to show your opponent one thing and give them another successfully. To say it's boxing 101 doesn't mean a thing, I've seen plenty of boxing fans draw that card on me and I always tell them, we got top fighters today who lack basic fundamentals. You may see a lot of feinting but very few apply it successfully.

No, that's your subjective definition of "slickness."

Slick fighter aren't Orthodox fighters, having solid boxing fundamentals does not make you a slick fighter.

The dictionary definition of slick (an adj.) is "Smooth and slippery," I don't think it necessarily applies to orthodox fighters. You can be a very fundamentally sound fighter and not be slick. I see slickness as a style more than the epitome of what effective boxing should be. I think Roy Jones was the epitome of slickness, he fought in a very unorthodox manner using awkward angles and moves (also athleticism) that confused his opponents (and he looked good /"smooth" doing it); same goes w/Sugar Ray Leonard and Mohammad Ali.