how come no one else gets heat for ducking Paul Williams?

[hhs661]

As I understand it, Margarito wanted the rematch right away, Williams wanted a different fight for more money, then of course wound up settling for Quintana and lost. After that, Williams wanted the rematch with Margarito, and Margarito decided to go on to bigger and things.

So, if that's true, they "ducked" each other at different times.

The boxing world wanted the rematch. Yes Williams lost to Quintana, but he also avenged it with a fist round ko. Williams was going after Margarito at WW and pavlik at MW. In that time frame, Tony beat cintron and another tune up then upset Cotto.

Williams-Margarito II was set. It never happened though. While people love to show Margarito challenging Floyd, they fail to point out that he went hush when it came to Williams. In fact, he was chasing Oscar for a money fight. People criticize Floyd for fighting Oscar but Margarito took the same route and failed.

They rejected a 3-4 million dollar offer to fight Williams.

[MrRolltide91]

The boxing world wanted the rematch. Yes Williams lost to Quintana, but he also avenged it with a fist round ko. Williams was going after Margarito at WW and pavlik at MW. In that time frame, Tony beat cintron and another tune up then upset Cotto.

Williams-Margarito II was set. It never happened though. While people love to show Margarito challenging Floyd, they fail to point out that he went hush when it came to Williams. In fact, he was chasing Oscar for a money fight. People criticize Floyd for fighting Oscar but Margarito took the same route and failed.

They rejected a 3-4 million dollar offer to fight Williams.

That's right. I remember people were saying oscar didn't want to fight margarito.

[hhs661]

That's right. I remember people were saying oscar didn't want to fight margarito.

They were. People try to rewrite this myth that Margarito was being avoided but truth be told he wasn't. He wanted the money fights. Even with Floyd being retired, him and Williams were the top two WW's. He and his team chose to go elsewhere

Which failed cause they thought Mosley had little left in the tank

[Jc8804]

All i know is that Cotto, pac , clottey , should too

[Pancho.Villa]

Margarito still a beast, Dude got mentions over 15 times in the first page LOL.

This how you knows fools are reaching, create a thread about people ducking williams but name drop over 15 times the only guy who fought Paul Williams LMFAO.

BEAST MODE

[megadeth]

People on this forum GREATLY overrate Williams and Margarito.

Margaritos best win @ ww is called into question because of his issues against Mosley.

Williams best win at ww is Margarito.

Not very impressive for either!

[ADP02]

You seriously want me to make a fool of you this bad?

If you are so knowledgeable it shouldn't have taken time for you to realize someone didn't know what they were talking about they should have just saw it like I did with you.

Judah was a former champ not a belt holder, so right there him and Williams are different and when you are talking about William he had exactly 1 good win then lost, Judah had a pretty solid career and even after the Judah-Baldomir fight a lot of people though he could trouble Floyd. Since you are so old and knowledgeable you should know that about Judah

Plus you said Judah was worthless after he lost, so that logic must apply to Williams so why are you even in a thread talking about Williams.

You are going on about what Floyd says, what Floyd says is garbage why you listen to a word that comes from him or his fathers mouth is totally beyond me since you are so old and wise you should get that but for some reason you hang on every word he says.

I don't give a flying fuck what you think about Floyd because I don't give a flying fuck about what you say about boxing in general, all you do is spew garbage takes and spin. As for me talking about Floyd at least I like the topic I talk about I am not in all sorts of threads talking about stuff I can't stand. If you have a problem look in the mirror because everything you are saying applies to you more than me.

YOU said "but Williams lost once". I responded that so did Judah. At least Quintana has boxing skills (not Baldomir) and at least Williams lost it close and at least Williams revenged with an early KO. Did Judah revenge after that loss? Did he ever win a WW title after that loss? NO, NO and ...NO!!!

Again, you can't say "but Williams lost" then make up excuses for the Judah fight, like you did, again! Don't you get it? Floyd didn't want to fight certain fighters so he will "use" something to say it's not right. You just did the same!

Floyd "Why should I fight Mosley .... he already lost 5 times!" but he is ready to fight an older inactive version with 5 losses!!! It's all excuses!

Now Judah is just one example. Please let me know what many of those other fighters that Floyd fought had that made them this elite god at WW? What did Marquez do at 147? Guerrero? Sharmba? Hatton? Ortiz? Khan? So the list is very long of why you need to do a lot better than the excuses that you are presenting here.

Judah is not worthless. I used your logic in which you borrowed from Floyd, that one single loss on Williams record was the reason Floyd shouldn't have fought Williams but Judah had just lost and had lost several other times as well.

You should have just said, yes, Floyd wanted no part of Williams. I'm sure that Manny's people thought that was a size mismatch and can be troublesome for Manny but you just can't even show some doubt in your response which makes you less of an objective person. Especially when most here believe that Floyd has ducked several fights.

So as I began to state above, Floyd has shown a pattern of ducking. Now you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask some of Floyd's previous opponents and non-opponents and they will admit to that. Even Williams said that there was a better chance at Manny fighting him but there was NO CHANCE that Floyd would because he didn't want that fight due to the risks. Guerrero said the same.

Floyd sometimes speaks the truth. Floyd fans can't distinguish or pretend not to because it would hurt Floyd. How can we tell? Using historical facts!

Floyd had plenty of opportunities to fight P. Williams, Martinez, Manny and so on. You know, guys that called him out but Floyd wasn't too anxious yet he was OK even at 154 (ooops 152 CW) against a relatively green Canelo. I wonder why? lol but you pretend that there was such a small minute opportunity to fight guys like Williams which is untrue! Some guys had called out Floyd for YEARS!

Final point: Floyd says he fights for money. Right? Now I have heard many Floyd fans say that and agree with that just to protect Floyd and say that is why he doesn't fight so and so. Now we all know that is a lie because then the Floyd vs Manny fight would have been made already ...... but the real point here is if you agree with that statement from Floyd then don't come back here and contradict yourself and say that Floyd fights the best ..... because that is nonsense.

By the way, I don't mind someone having different opinions and being even very vocal about it but please try to stick to boxing discussions instead of insulting people. It's just not cool.

[Hesh Rabkin]

Paul Williams is a hero of my mine.

I really hope he will walk again.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Berto was asked about the match up, he literally said he had thoughts of moving down to 140

[firstborn]

When given the chance, all fighters pick and choose who they face. Cotto is probably the exception because he's taken on all the top names in boxing. Groupies see things how they want but objective fans see the truth.