how come no one else gets heat for ducking Paul Williams?

[Vasyl’s dad]

lol at the blatant lies. Margarito wanted an immediate rematch, and Paul said no. Even Margarito haters said , "no, he needs to rebuild himself up first". So on he went to beat Cotto. Even then, the dumb****s of this site claimed Tony ducked Paul, even when Pauls own words said he didn't want the rematch.

[Pancho.Villa]

lol at the blatant lies. Margarito wanted an immediate rematch, and Paul said no. Even Margarito haters said , "no, he needs to rebuild himself up first". So on he went to beat Cotto. Even then, the dumb****s of this site claimed Tony ducked Paul, even when Pauls own words said he didn't want the rematch.

They wont listen man, they got to make up lies, and alot of people hate Margarito so they know they can basically say whatever and everyone will go along with it just cause they hate Margarito lol.

Silly petty motherfucker, Margarito still haunts these ****

[hhs661]

From a practical standpoint, even Paul Williams admitted that no one can blame fellow welterweight world champion Antonio Margarito for wanting to fight Oscar De La Hoya. Anyone who steps into the ring with De La Hoya makes his biggest payday.

“Business-wise, I understand that,” Williams said. But Williams said that doesn’t mean Margarito-De La Hoya would be a better fight than one between he and Margarito.

“It’s not a good fight,” he said, referring to a possible, yet
improbable, Margarito-De La Hoya fight. “Everybody knows
Oscar puts on a good fight, but he fades late. But with me,
we going to fight the whole 12 rounds.”

In short, Williams said Tuesday, he would like to see the two best welterweights in the world square off to see who indeed is the top dog in the division. To him and many experts, that would be he and Margarito, who is coming off an 11th-round technical knockout of Miguel Cotto on July 26.

“We the two biggest names out there at 147 since Floyd
Mayweather left, so why can’t we fight to see who the best
is?” Williams said.

[The Gambler1981]

YOU said "but Williams lost once". I responded that so did Judah. At least Quintana has boxing skills (not Baldomir) and at least Williams lost it close and at least Williams revenged with an early KO. Did Judah revenge after that loss? Did he ever win a WW title after that loss? NO, NO and ...NO!!!

Again, you can't say "but Williams lost" then make up excuses for the Judah fight, like you did, again! Don't you get it? Floyd didn't want to fight certain fighters so he will "use" something to say it's not right. You just did the same!

Floyd "Why should I fight Mosley .... he already lost 5 times!" but he is ready to fight an older inactive version with 5 losses!!! It's all excuses!

Now Judah is just one example. Please let me know what many of those other fighters that Floyd fought had that made them this elite god at WW? What did Marquez do at 147? Guerrero? Sharmba? Hatton? Ortiz? Khan? So the list is very long of why you need to do a lot better than the excuses that you are presenting here.

Judah is not worthless. I used your logic in which you borrowed from Floyd, that one single loss on Williams record was the reason Floyd shouldn't have fought Williams but Judah had just lost and had lost several other times as well.

You should have just said, yes, Floyd wanted no part of Williams. I'm sure that Manny's people thought that was a size mismatch and can be troublesome for Manny but you just can't even show some doubt in your response which makes you less of an objective person. Especially when most here believe that Floyd has ducked several fights.

So as I began to state above, Floyd has shown a pattern of ducking. Now you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask some of Floyd's previous opponents and non-opponents and they will admit to that. Even Williams said that there was a better chance at Manny fighting him but there was NO CHANCE that Floyd would because he didn't want that fight due to the risks. Guerrero said the same.

Floyd sometimes speaks the truth. Floyd fans can't distinguish or pretend not to because it would hurt Floyd. How can we tell? Using historical facts!

Floyd had plenty of opportunities to fight P. Williams, Martinez, Manny and so on. You know, guys that called him out but Floyd wasn't too anxious yet he was OK even at 154 (ooops 152 CW) against a relatively green Canelo. I wonder why? lol but you pretend that there was such a small minute opportunity to fight guys like Williams which is untrue! Some guys had called out Floyd for YEARS!

Final point: Floyd says he fights for money. Right? Now I have heard many Floyd fans say that and agree with that just to protect Floyd and say that is why he doesn't fight so and so. Now we all know that is a lie because then the Floyd vs Manny fight would have been made already ...... but the real point here is if you agree with that statement from Floyd then don't come back here and contradict yourself and say that Floyd fights the best ..... because that is nonsense.

By the way, I don't mind someone having different opinions and being even very vocal about it but please try to stick to boxing discussions instead of insulting people. It's just not cool.

My logic is not Floyd's and I insult those that deserve insulting and I can't be asked to be sorry about that. IF you were worthy of respect I would give it but you aren't. Point blank I told you not to talk to me and that I had no desire to listen to your garbage but you carried on.


Floyd always says whatever benefits his stance he is not a guy I ever listen really to, he contradicts himself constantly and has proven himself to be a hypocrite on multiple occasions. Luckily for him that has nothing to really do with boxing, however you seem real interested in what he has to say

I never said Floyd shouldn't have fought Williams, or anybody. There was just little point of it. There was more of a point to Floyd fighting Judah when he did than fighting Williams after he got beat by Quintana. A fight not happening is just that, a fight that didn't happen, you trying to place greater meaning on fights that didn't occur than those that did occur is why you are hard to take serious. All the fights he took were wrong, yet all the fights he didn't were tough fights? You don't realize how biased that sounds?

All I see is a diatribe where you pick and choose which guys were good and which guys weren't, the guys Floyd beat were all pretty good fighters it is not like William or Margarito are much better if at all. The only guy who was better that he didn't fight was Manny (and his dossier looks a lot like Floyd's so if you respect Manny you should respect Floyd)and there are two sides to that tale while you only ever tell one, believing the whole Arum tale.

You are a straight up joke, you write all this but it really says nothing and you have no idea what I am all about. You say facts all I see is a lot of opinion and hear-say.

Floyd's career is worthy of respect and what he has done is not outweighed buy what he hasn't done Williams and Margarito are nothing different than what Floyd has beat good fighters which Floyd has beat a lot of. You seem stuck on so much stuff about a guy you don't like, let it go it is healthier

[Vasyl’s dad]

From a practical standpoint, even Paul Williams admitted that no one can blame fellow welterweight world champion Antonio Margarito for wanting to fight Oscar De La Hoya. Anyone who steps into the ring with De La Hoya makes his biggest payday.

“Business-wise, I understand that,” Williams said. But Williams said that doesn’t mean Margarito-De La Hoya would be a better fight than one between he and Margarito.

“It’s not a good fight,” he said, referring to a possible, yet
improbable, Margarito-De La Hoya fight. “Everybody knows
Oscar puts on a good fight, but he fades late. But with me,
we going to fight the whole 12 rounds.”

In short, Williams said Tuesday, he would like to see the two best welterweights in the world square off to see who indeed is the top dog in the division. To him and many experts, that would be he and Margarito, who is coming off an 11th-round technical knockout of Miguel Cotto on July 26.

“We the two biggest names out there at 147 since Floyd
Mayweather left, so why can’t we fight to see who the best
is?” Williams said.

Paul Williams refused the immediate rematch. What was Tony supposed to do? Wait around for him forever?

[The Gambler1981]

Also this is a Paul Williams thread why are we arguing hard about Floyd wtf is wrong with you because looking back I don't see where I big upped Floyd or said anything anyone should have taken offense to.


The only thing I said was losing to Quintana fucked any argument Williams had, which it did he was just building up when that happened and losing that fight killed any chances he had of getting a really big fight. No one was calling for anyone to fight William post losing to Quintana other than Margarito and by then Margarito was on another plan so there was no way he was taking that risk. Although it probably was a mistake to take the Mosley fight instead of Williams for more money but hindsight is 20/20 I am sure they thought of Mosley a a much safer choice at the time which was the popular opinion.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Floyd & Cotto ducked Paul Williams. Both Margario & Williams ducked each other at one point (depends on how you look at it).

[hhs661]

Paul Williams refused the immediate rematch. What was Tony supposed to do? Wait around for him forever?

You know Williams and his promoter offered Top Rank a two bout deal? One with Margarito and if they win, the next with Cotto. Margarito was never in the initial plans of either side. Williams wanted to capitalize and fight Cotto right after Margarito.

Do you not recall the excuses Team Margarito kept trying to make to avoid the first fight in the first place? If not, ask. I'll easily show them to you

[Vasyl’s dad]

You know Williams and his promoter offered Top Rank a two bout deal? One with Margarito and if they win, the next with Cotto. Margarito was never in the initial plans of either side. Williams wanted to capitalize and fight Cotto right after Margarito.

Do you not recall the excuses Team Margarito kept trying to make to avoid the first fight in the first place? If not, ask. I'll easily show them to you

Williams ducked the immediate rematch. The article is here in the archives.

[hhs661]

Williams ducked the immediate rematch. The article is here in the archives.

Before their first fight the Margarito team wanted no part of Williams.

Goossen offered Arum a 2 fight deal. Margarito and Cotto. Only way to get to Miguel was if Williams got past Tony. He did. The latter never happened. Arum balked and made sure that no one on his stable would face Williams again. Tony, Cotto, Clottey and even Pavlik.

If Williams ducked Margarito, as you try to make others believe, then why didn't anyone else from Top Rank fight him after he defeated Tony? Don't shy away from the question. Give me your honest thoughts, please