how come no one else gets heat for ducking Paul Williams?

[ADP02]

The last two have nothing to do with this thread, and I don't give a shit what Floyd Sr. has to say he says a lot of things. Sr. is not Jr.

Williams lost in February 2008 to Quintana and then beat him in June. If he beat Quintana in that first fight you might have a point but no one wanted to see Williams in with Floyd after going 1-1 with a guy like Quintana.

The only guy that needed to fight him at that point was Margarito because he needed to clear up that business and prove Williams was not the better man, he chose to step.

Do yourself a favor and don't talk to me though because I have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know~

Sorry budd but I have been around for a while and know much more than you think, if that is what you were implying. Secondly, from your age (32), I know that I have been around in eras that you only heard of or seen on youtube.

As for those comments, they didn't just come from Floyd Sr, they or similar ones came from Floyd himself!

Floyd fought Judah who also had a loss. Floyd even beat the guy who beat Judah. So using your logic, why is Floyd not supposed to fight Williams yet he fought Judah?

Williams called out Floyd. Floyd didn't want the fight. That is all we are discussing here. So no need to make up excuses!

[The Gambler1981]

Sorry budd but I have been around for a while and know much more than you think, if that is what you were implying. Secondly, from your age (32), I know that I have been around in eras that you only heard of or seen on youtube.

As for those comments, they didn't just come from Floyd Sr, they or similar ones came from Floyd himself!

Floyd fought Judah who also had a loss. Floyd even beat the guy who beat Judah. So using your logic, why is Floyd not supposed to fight Williams yet he fought Judah?

Williams called out Floyd. Floyd didn't want the fight. That is all we are discussing here. So no need to make up excuses!

Judah was the champ not a belt holder and was an early fight in his 147 pound run plus it was already set up when Judah screwed the pooch. For someone that has been around so long you should know that. Then he beat the guy that beat Judah just to clean up any loose ends. Beating the champ and the former champs is a bad way to start a run now?


Those are direct quotes from Sr., Jr. says a lot of garbage also do you take all his words as gospel? Or Sr.'s or just when they suit what you want? Or can twist them taking out of context to make them what you want?

I know being around is not the way of being knowledgeable about something, it is about paying attention and learning, for claiming to have been around so long you lack wisdom and any degree of context. SO I find it hard to believe you are as old as you are tying to claim, if you are that is pretty sad.

[dynomyte1444]

every one ducked paul but people hate Floyd.

In reality Floyd has never ducked anyone so whatever

[dynomyte1444]

Floyd gets heat cos he claims that there's no blueprint to beat him but he has never fight someone like Paul Williams who is tall, long reach, has high workrate and has decent power. Plus Paul is a southpaw.

Im not saying Paul will definitely defeat Floyd but he sure as hell give him a tough fight.

If everyone was ducking Paul Williams, why didn't Floyd fight him if he believe he is truly unbeatable but chose to 'retire'.

These are the post that I hate the most.

Floyd cant fight every month. These always going to be someone to challenge floyd. I can just hear people now when he retires. Who ever is coming up and making a name for himself Floyd will have ducked them because he retired.

[dynomyte1444]

Yes a lot of fighters were avoiding Williams but sorry they all fought each other and some of those supposed "avoiders" fought other fights that made up for this one.

Still, there were fighters who were willing and have stepped up to the plate. Floyd calls himself the best but when it comes to fighting a risky fight, him and his team gets squeamish.

"If Manny wobbles my Floyd, I'm stopping the fight and checking out what's going on"

"How can someone go up all these divisions and whoop them bigger fighters?"

You dont know what your talking about.

Why are you not saying the same things about Pac?

[ADP02]

Judah was the champ not a belt holder and was an early fight in his 147 pound run plus it was already set up when Judah screwed the pooch. For someone that has been around so long you should know that. Then he beat the guy that beat Judah just to clean up any loose ends. Beating the champ and the former champs is a bad way to start a run now?


Those are direct quotes from Sr., Jr. says a lot of garbage also do you take all his words as gospel? Or Sr.'s or just when they suit what you want? Or can twist them taking out of context to make them what you want?

I know being around is not the way of being knowledgeable about something, it is about paying attention and learning, for claiming to have been around so long you lack wisdom and any degree of context. SO I find it hard to believe you are as old as you are tying to claim, if you are that is pretty sad.

Like I said in my previous post, why the excuses? Yet you come here and post more excuses and try to claim this and that? Floyd has many loose ends yet you bring up the word as an excuse!

Judah was a nothing once he lost to Baldomir. You don't believe me, go ask Floyd yourself what he thinks of guys who lose a fight ... but if you were objective you would know that only applies to the ones that pose relatively higher risk. Floyd doesn't want to take the risks. Judah was beatable at 147 as one would know by losing almost all his big fights and almost half his fights at 147 ... but losing to no-name, many losses Baldomir is the most laughable excuse that you can come up with!

Again, funny how you use excuses and say "but that was an early fight for Floyd". So you must consider most of Floyd's fights at 147 crappy because all these fighters had 2 (only one) or less fights (all the others listed!) at WW: Marquez, Ortiz, Hatton, Guerrero, Sharmba ..... and Khan was supposed to be and may still be next!

Floyd doesn't fight the best. If you would start by saying that in your next post, then I would take you more seriously. Again, you don't have to believe me, Floyd says it all the time. Unfortunately, fans like you don't listen to that Floyd and then come in threads like this and protect, protect and protect your hero .... NOW THAT IS SAD!!!

[ADP02]

You dont know what your talking about.

Why are you not saying the same things about Pac?

You responded to a post where I said "Yes a lot of fighters were avoiding Williams" and assumed that didn't include Manny. I have criticized Manny when he picked certain fights that did nothing for him. So you are wrong budd!

All I'm asking is for some of those Floyd fans who are not objective to sometimes be instead of taking it to a personal level as the Gambler tried to do because he was getting all defensive about his fighter Floyd.

[The Gambler1981]

Like I said in my previous post, why the excuses? Yet you come here and post more excuses and try to claim this and that? Floyd has many loose ends yet you bring up the word as an excuse!

Judah was a nothing once he lost to Baldomir. You don't believe me, go ask Floyd yourself what he thinks of guys who lose a fight ... but if you were objective you would know that only applies to the ones that pose relatively higher risk. Floyd doesn't want to take the risks. Judah was beatable at 147 as one would know by losing almost all his big fights and almost half his fights at 147 ... but losing to no-name, many losses Baldomir is the most laughable excuse that you can come up with!

Again, funny how you use excuses and say "but that was an early fight for Floyd". So you must consider most of Floyd's fights at 147 crappy because all these fighters had 2 (only one) or less fights (all the others listed!) at WW: Marquez, Ortiz, Hatton, Guerrero, Sharmba ..... and Khan was supposed to be and may still be next!

Floyd doesn't fight the best. If you would start by saying that in your next post, then I would take you more seriously. Again, you don't have to believe me, Floyd says it all the time. Unfortunately, fans like you don't listen to that Floyd and then come in threads like this and protect, protect and protect your hero .... NOW THAT IS SAD!!!

I typed out a whole response to this then deleted it, because you aren't worth the effort. Good luck proving to people you are old and knowledgeable with this garbage though.

[brick wall]

"I guess Floyd won't fight me because I don't have a vagina."

Paul Williams

http://www.examiner.com/article/paul...-have-a-vagina

[dynomyte1444]

You responded to a post where I said "Yes a lot of fighters were avoiding Williams" and assumed that didn't include Manny. I have criticized Manny when he picked certain fights that did nothing for him. So you are wrong budd!

All I'm asking is for some of those Floyd fans who are not objective to sometimes be instead of taking it to a personal level as the Gambler tried to do because he was getting all defensive about his fighter Floyd.

Floyd gets alot of **** every where so i dont really see your point. Floyd is the man and has been for 10 years plus. Ive never thought fighters ducked eachother. Paul called out everyone because he is desperate for that big fight but his name wasnt big enough. he didnt beat that many good people to be really involved in the talks of floyd.

a few more impressive wins for paul he could of made a case. Did he have tools to beat floyd? maybe but oh well he should of beat more people. The risk was to high for such a little reward for anyone who was on top.