Is Lennox Lewis considered an 'ATG Heavyweight'? This person says no.

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  • Mr.Fantastic
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    #31
    He's a HW great, just not THAT great.

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    • GeneralZod
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      #32
      He's top ten.

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      • techliam
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        #33
        Of course he is. Even now, he has to teach the newbies how to actually jab, outside in the street.

        You can say he isn't, a legitimate view. But then the Earth is flat right?

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        • Sugar Adam Ali
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          #34
          Only heavys to beat him h2h would be ali and holmes......

          Lewis would crush louis..

          The thing about lewis is that he never lost a huge big fight,,, his only losses were supposed "soft touches" in mccall and rahman,,,, Lewis avenged both and utterly brutalized rahman in their rematch

          what is most impressive about lewis is that he destroyed guys,, not just beat them, but destroyed them...

          Razor ruddock- Uncrowned champ after the tyson wars, Lewis blows him out in 2
          Bruno gave him hell and was winning but lewis showed one punch power and changed the fight.
          Ko'd Golata in 90 seconds, when golata had just gone to war with bowe and considered a top heavy
          Ko'd Morrison in 5
          beat mercer but that was a great close fight and could have gone either way
          Beat the hell out of a prime akinwande and destroyed his hype
          Beat up lineal champ prime Shannon Briggs
          Beat up holyfield twice
          Bowe wouldnt fight him, he had already stopped bowe for the gold medal in the 88 olympics
          Destroyed micheal grant in 2 when grant was massively hyped
          Beat a prime Tua
          Ko'd rahman in the rematch
          Stopped a cracked out mccall in the rematch
          Destroyed tyson
          Stopped Vitali

          Retired as reigning undisputed Lineal Heavyweight champ with a gold medal

          Not too shabby

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          • Sugar Adam Ali
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            #35
            Only heavys to beat him h2h would be ali and holmes......

            Lewis would crush louis..

            The thing about lewis is that he never lost a huge big fight,,, his only losses were supposed "soft touches" in mccall and rahman,,,, Lewis avenged both and utterly brutalized rahman in their rematch

            what is most impressive about lewis is that he destroyed guys,, not just beat them, but destroyed them...

            Razor ruddock- Uncrowned champ after the tyson wars, Lewis blows him out in 2
            Bruno gave him hell and was winning but lewis showed one punch power and changed the fight.
            Ko'd Golata in 90 seconds, when golata had just gone to war with bowe and considered a top heavy
            Ko'd Morrison in 5
            beat mercer but that was a great close fight and could have gone either way
            Beat the hell out of a prime akinwande and destroyed his hype
            Beat up lineal champ prime Shannon Briggs
            Beat up holyfield twice
            Bowe wouldnt fight him, he had already stopped bowe for the gold medal in the 88 olympics
            Destroyed micheal grant in 2 when grant was massively hyped
            Beat a prime Tua
            Ko'd rahman in the rematch
            Stopped a cracked out mccall in the rematch
            Destroyed tyson
            Stopped Vitali

            Retired as reigning undisputed Lineal Heavyweight champ with a gold medal

            Not too shabby

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              #36
              I see that WladsChin is sticking itself out again.

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              • IronDanHamza
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                #37
                Depends what you consider an ATG HW to be.

                I would say yes.

                Could see an argument for saying no if you only consider the Top 10 being "ATG's."

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                • Sugar Adam Ali
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  Depends what you consider an ATG HW to be.

                  I would say yes.

                  Could see an argument for saying no if you only consider the Top 10 being "ATG's."
                  Where do you rank him,,, just curious,,,

                  I got him in my top 3
                  1. ali
                  2. holmes
                  3. lewis

                  Joe louis could be ahead of him, but i think if they met H2H that lewis would be too big and skilled to lose to louis.....

                  my top 10 list would be

                  1, ali
                  2. holmes
                  3. lewis
                  4. louis
                  5. jack johnson
                  6. foreman
                  7. holyfield
                  8. tyson
                  9. frazier
                  10. Tunney

                  Just my opinion,,,, and i rank based on H2h and resume as tie breaker

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                  • billeau2
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                    #39
                    Part of what I look at are the intangibles. Not only did Lewis fight great comp, he fought every threat they put in front of him. Lewis never backed down from a fight.....in addition to the guys who were considered serious threats, guys like Golata, Morrison, Briggs, he fought guys like Mccall and Mercer.

                    The intangible is that the Klits always seem able to duck guys like Fury, Ruiz, etc.... Lewis fought those guys in addition to guys he had to fight. He was a nuch better fighter than the Vitali fight indicated. he had trained for a scrub and took that fight last minute and he paid a dear price for it. If he had trained properly that fight would have shown him dominating Vitali....he beat Vitali at his very worse!

                    Lewis had holes but was really very very good. He was exactly what an undisputed ATG should look like.

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                      Where do you rank him,,, just curious,,,

                      I got him in my top 3
                      1. ali
                      2. holmes
                      3. lewis

                      Joe louis could be ahead of him, but i think if they met H2H that lewis would be too big and skilled to lose to louis.....

                      my top 10 list would be

                      1, ali
                      2. holmes
                      3. lewis
                      4. louis
                      5. jack johnson
                      6. foreman
                      7. holyfield
                      8. tyson
                      9. frazier
                      10. Tunney

                      Just my opinion,,,, and i rank based on H2h and resume as tie breaker
                      Last time I did a list I had him at #11 or #12.

                      Could see him being at the bottom of the Top 10 though.

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