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  • The Big Dunn
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    #121
    Originally posted by ADP02
    Marquez-Pacquiao IV : A rivalry that had 3 close fights is now considered a cherry pick to you? #3 even proved that Marquez had adjusted well to the wieght and we all know that he fights Manny tough as nails and some of you though that Marquez won #3 ..... too funny!

    Please go delete that post NOW .... I will edit mine just to save you ..... I'm a kind guy when I want to be!
    Save the bs dude. Everyone including you knows manny said he had nothing to prove with jmm and tried to get cotto to agree to a cw rematch. When cotto said no and bob told manny the tim rematch wouldn't make enough to get him $20 mil he decided to fight jmm a 4th time.

    You shouldn't have to lie abouut it or pretend otherwise. Everytime manny does something you are ashamed of you pretend it necer happened. That's weak.

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    • dc3383
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      #122
      Manny didn't fight Marquez for there rivalry. He seen how bad Marquez looked vs Floyd and thought he could finally KO him and say he beat him better than Floyd did and unfortunately that was the wrong idea Marquez had something else on his mind.

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      • ADP02
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        #123
        Originally posted by Big Dunn
        Save the bs dude. Everyone including you knows manny said he had nothing to prove with jmm and tried to get cotto to agree to a cw rematch. When cotto said no and bob told manny the tim rematch wouldn't make enough to get him $20 mil he decided to fight jmm a 4th time.

        You shouldn't have to lie abouut it or pretend otherwise. Everytime manny does something you are ashamed of you pretend it necer happened. That's weak.
        A Floyd fan coming to the rescue of another one .... so sweet!

        What you said does not mean that a Marquez IV would not happen down the line, which was expected nor does it mean that Manny vs Marquez IV was a cherry pick.

        If Manny vs Marquez IV was a cherry pick then all of Floyd's fights are cherry picks because everyone knows that Marquez was one of if not the hardest opponent for Manny style wise!

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        • illmaticfighter
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          #124
          Originally posted by ADP02
          Manny vs Marquez have a rivalry so its NOT the same but for the record, fight #3 I questioned at least until I saw Marquez at the weigh in and some videos of him training. Before then I said Manny should not take on Marquez at WW. Once I saw Marquez come in what appeared to be bigger than Manny, I knew that it was going to be better than expected being that Marquez always fights Manny tough. So unlike what you think, I criticize Manny fights too. i did the same on the Mosley fight.

          Mosley didn't duck Floyd. Mosley had just fought for the 2nd time that year and said that he need his planned vacation, he would prefer to fight Floyd a few months later .... Floyd said NO to the delay! From late 2006 to 2010 Mosley was the one pursuing the fight. How can you be a ducker when you do that? Unfortunate, Floyd said "No" to Mosley fight which proved that he never was really interested in that fight. Risk was too high for his liking.


          Imagine, Floyd said he was planning on retiring. Would you have wanted Baldomir or Mosley on your resume after you retire? Be honest!
          from 98 to 2006 floyd chased mosley, floyd wanted the mosley and oscar fight for ever and neither wanted to fight him(not blaming them). then when the role is reversed floyd ducked him it's ridicoulous.

          floyd has both on his resume he beat baldo when he was lineal and mosley when he was number 3 ww and p4p. the mosley win for floyd is good not great it would've been great if he fought mosley instead of marquez, that was a horrible dumb fight one of the two ppvs of floyd's i haven't bought.

          now be honest besides marquez fans who thought marquez stood a chance?

          he looked old vs diaz,looked horrible at 47 was extremely older and slower but of course you don't consider that a cherry pick but floyd vs mosley was.

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          • The Big Dunn
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            #125
            Originally posted by ADP02
            A Floyd fan coming to the rescue of another one .... so sweet!

            What you said does not mean that a Marquez IV would not happen down the line, which was expected nor does it mean that Manny vs Marquez IV was a cherry pick.

            If Manny vs Marquez IV was a cherry pick then all of Floyd's fights are cherry picks because everyone knows that Marquez was one of if not the hardest opponent for Manny style wise!
            Manny said he had nothing to prove with jmm. Not me or you. Then he changed hgis tune. I thought you were against hypocricy? Where is your outrage?

            You know manny didn't want to fight jmm. He wanted $20 mil and had only one other option-floyd which he has turned down at least twice.

            You can hate floyd but why lie about manny? You know exactly what he said and what he meant. You are desperately trying to make what he did honorable. It wasn't.

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            • bojangles1987
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              #126
              Originally posted by Carpe Diem
              And Manny doesn't cherry picks? Marquez-Pacquiao IV was a recycling cherry pick fight gone wrong. Keep telling yourself that Manny always fight at a disadvantage and always choose the fights that fans wants to see.
              The third fight was the cherry pick gone wrong. The fourth fight was legit.

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              • Marvellous1
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                #127
                Originally posted by bojangles1987
                The third fight was the cherry pick gone wrong. The fourth fight was legit.
                But if Cotto had accepted another catchweight, fight IV wouldn't have happened. It was a last resort because there supposedly no money in a Bradley rematch and Cotto refused to be the catchweight patsy again.

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                • ADP02
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                  #128
                  Originally posted by illmaticfighter
                  from 98 to 2006 floyd chased mosley, floyd wanted the mosley and oscar fight for ever and neither wanted to fight him(not blaming them). then when the role is reversed floyd ducked him it's ridicoulous.

                  floyd has both on his resume he beat baldo when he was lineal and mosley when he was number 3 ww and p4p. the mosley win for floyd is good not great it would've been great if he fought mosley instead of marquez, that was a horrible dumb fight one of the two ppvs of floyd's i haven't bought.

                  now be honest besides marquez fans who thought marquez stood a chance?

                  he looked old vs diaz,looked horrible at 47 was extremely older and slower but of course you don't consider that a cherry pick but floyd vs mosley was.
                  When it comes to Floyd fighting future opponents, talk is cheap!

                  Examples:
                  - "Take the test and we have a fight"
                  - "Manny you are next" .... then "I never said Manny is next"
                  - "So i said that but now I'm not"

                  Floyd wanted Mosley, who was going to fight guys like Oscar at several divisions higher is what your are agreeing to as well. Floyd knew it was NOT going to happen so he just talked! It's like teasing a tiger that is behind a cage. You know nothing will happen because those bars will protect you from those comments of yours. Floyd knew it wasn't going to happen and I'm sure you knew as well if you are knowledgeable.

                  In 2006, if Floyd delayed his fight a few months, Mosley was there for him but Floyd didn't want. Now, if you want a guy like you said in 2006 then why all of a sudden the change when Mosley is caught in every interview saying that he wants Floyd? From late 2006 to 2010! So that is what is ridiculous .... like I said, when it comes to Floyd, talk is cheap!


                  Manny vs Marquez IV was NOT a cherry pick and I have 3 reasons for you:

                  Manny vs Marquez I
                  Manny vs Marquez II
                  Manny vs Marquez III

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                  • The Noose
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by Ray Corso
                    ' the very last person to bring color too! In boxing theres two colors Red & Green!
                    I love to watch a talented highly skilled boxer like Mayweather if he added pressure and combinations and taking over and dominating!!!
                    Ever hear of Sugar Ray Robinson??? He could box all night long and play not get it but as he got older he learned to be a main event fighter he needed tpo be more active and more dominate!!! You see the days of filling a hall are gone, ppv has ruined boxing because these guys are guarenteed their money back then you EARNED IT!!!! You got a flat and a % of the gate, strong gate strong pay!!!

                    What I forgot about this business you'll never know, your a talker not a doer.

                    I like GGG because he brings the fight to his opponent and works hard to eliminate the need for a judge! You get your moneys worth. Money short changes everyone, you just don't know it because you don't know the history of the sport and who were the real greats and how the boxers of today get over by building their own opponents up. (Klitz, Bernard, Floyd)
                    When the fighter has his hands in the promotion as well as being the combatant theres a conflict of interest. Get it!! Time for a late lunch, bye kids!
                    Ray

                    We shouldnt demand a boxer gets beat up for our entertainment in order to earn his purse.
                    Many fighters do give it their all in the ring, and yes, its exciting to watch. inspirational.
                    But Floyd has the skills they dont. He doesnt need to engage in a brawl in order to win. His precise punching and incredible defence are all he needs. He always puts on a great display of skill and intelligence. If you know so much about boxing, you should surely be able to appreciate that.

                    We all know fighters can die, or be brain damaged, retiring with slurred speech. How anyone can criticise Floyd for fighting the way he does is ridiculous. To suggest he hasnt earned his money is plain disgusting. The years of work and dedication he has for the sport is clear for everyone to see everytime he fights.

                    He doesnt short change anyone, because we all know how he fights, and the selling point is to see whether his opponent can find a way to unlock Floyd.

                    You like GGG because of his attacking style. Thats fine. I prefer attacking fighters also. But thats just preference. Its not what all fighters should do.
                    One of the beautiful things about the sport is the individual styles and tactics of the fighters.

                    You can talk about the history of the sport, but like it or not, Floyd is making history. He is as much a part of its history as Robinson or Ali.



                    And to the TS... if Floyd got involved in a brawl and took risks that would lead him to get hit more, people would only criticise him for getting hit.

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                    • Carpe Diem
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by Big Dunn
                      Save the bs dude. Everyone including you knows manny said he had nothing to prove with jmm and tried to get cotto to agree to a cw rematch. When cotto said no and bob told manny the tim rematch wouldn't make enough to get him $20 mil he decided to fight jmm a 4th time.

                      You shouldn't have to lie abouut it or pretend otherwise. Everytime manny does something you are ashamed of you pretend it necer happened. That's weak.
                      Don't bother responding to him. He's on the same level as Pacboy, ect. He'll just continue to rehashing the same things over and over.

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