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  • ADP02
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    #91
    Originally posted by bojangles1987
    Anyone who pays attention can tell you I'm far from a Mayweather fan. Alvarez was the fight the public wanted to see. You can't pretend otherwise now.
    Canelo has a following and was hyped up to be "the one" by the promoter. So yes, Floyd took full advantage of that. That is, relatively low risk, high reward ($$$)

    but

    when you look at the polls, Canelo was NOT supposed to beat Floyd and only his true fans and a few of the Floyd haters picked Canelo BUT that only amounted up to 25%. So that there tells you that even the hype didn't really catch on as one is lead to believe.

    Finally, Floyd was OK to fight an even greener version of Floyd. I said it before it was announced that Floyd will want to fight this version of Canelo that is NOT READY than a more experienced version down the road. Canelo had too many flaws that Floyd could take advantage of ..... Ellerbe said that is why he approved the fight ..... and that was my point!

    Oh, yeah, go check out what people thought of Canelo before the Trout fight. The Trout fight was not convincing to boxing fans like me who know a thing or two about boxing ..... so some changed their mind based on the Trout fight. Not me ..... for me it proved that Canelo was not ready.
    Last edited by ADP02; 09-28-2013, 02:56 PM.

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      #92
      Originally posted by dc3383
      Your right nobody demanded for that fight.
      Demand is not as important as risk ..... demand was huge for Manny but Floyd didn't pick that one. Not that hard to figure out!

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      • Carpe Diem
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        #93
        Originally posted by ADP02
        Demand is not as important as risk ..... demand was huge for Manny but Floyd didn't pick that one. Not that hard to figure out!
        How many Top Rank opponents not named Manny Pacquiao that Floyd has fought since he returned? Who walked away from the first negotiation when both fighters had equal leverage?

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          #94
          Originally posted by ADP02
          Canelo has a following and was hyped up to be "the one" by the promoter. So yes, Floyd took full advantage of that. That is, relatively low risk, high reward ($$$)

          but

          when you look at the polls, Canelo was NOT supposed to beat Floyd and only his true fans and a few of the Floyd haters picked Canelo BUT that only amounted up to 25%. So that there tells you that even the hype didn't really catch on as one is lead to believe.

          Finally, Floyd was OK to fight an even greener version of Floyd. I said it before it was announced that Floyd will want to fight this version of Canelo that is NOT READY than a more experienced version down the road. Canelo had too many flaws that Floyd could take advantage of ..... Ellerbe said that is why he approved the fight ..... and that was my point!

          Oh, yeah, go check out what people thought of Canelo before the Trout fight. The Trout fight was not convincing to boxing fans like me who know a thing or two about boxing ..... so some changed their mind based on the Trout fight. Not me ..... for me it proved that Canelo was not ready.
          Canelo doesn't have many flaws, Floyd is simply more well rounded and in the foot speed department he's on a different level. There was no "Floyd will want to fight this version of Canelo", it was more of who else was available that the public will be willing to pay for after the Guerrero fight didn't do the numbers that was expected.

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            #95
            Originally posted by ADP02
            Canelo has a following and was hyped up to be "the one" by the promoter. So yes, Floyd took full advantage of that. That is, relatively low risk, high reward ($$$)

            but

            when you look at the polls, Canelo was NOT supposed to beat Floyd and only his true fans and a few of the Floyd haters picked Canelo BUT that only amounted up to 25%. So that there tells you that even the hype didn't really catch on as one is lead to believe.

            Finally, Floyd was OK to fight an even greener version of Floyd. I said it before it was announced that Floyd will want to fight this version of Canelo that is NOT READY than a more experienced version down the road. Canelo had too many flaws that Floyd could take advantage of ..... Ellerbe said that is why he approved the fight ..... and that was my point!

            Oh, yeah, go check out what people thought of Canelo before the Trout fight. The Trout fight was not convincing to boxing fans like me who know a thing or two about boxing ..... so some changed their mind based on the Trout fight. Not me ..... for me it proved that Canelo was not ready.
            Please log off,no one cares what you say now that is the fight everyone wanted.

            i'll tell you what fight no one wants and that's pac vs rios

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            • ADP02
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              #96
              Originally posted by Carpe Diem
              And who are those opponents supposed to be again? Don't even mention Manny Pacquiao as one of those opponents because that fight is dead and won't happen due to the ego measuring contest between the two promotional companies involved. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that those riskier opponents are none other than, Sergio Martinez, GGG, and even the super middleweight king, Andre Ward. Am i close enough?
              Nope, I'm going by Floyd's history. Sergio Martinez, Manny Pac, P Williams, Margarito, younger Mosley, prime Cotto and others were all there ..... but Floyd was concerned that his precious "0" might go.

              Floyd also proved that he is ready to fight guys with the "extra advantages" in his favor even though he says that he wants "a fair fight" when he is worried about the opponent. That is, for Canelo it was smart to take advantage and get the CW but for Manny "I want a fair fight"

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                #97
                Originally posted by Carpe Diem
                How many Top Rank opponents not named Manny Pacquiao that Floyd has fought since he returned? Who walked away from the first negotiation when both fighters had equal leverage?
                Sorry but it was NOT TR that told Floyd to put those roadbloacks!

                Even with Margarito, it was Floyd not TR that didn't want the fight. Man, Margarito was waiting and waiting on deck to fight Floyd but Floyd fought Baldomir instead.

                Floyd said to Manny "Take the test and we have a fight" Manny accepted but we still didn't have a fight because Floyd all of a sudden said testing was not enough anymore.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by ADP02
                  Canelo has a following and was hyped up to be "the one" by the promoter. So yes, Floyd took full advantage of that. That is, relatively low risk, high reward ($$$)

                  but

                  when you look at the polls, Canelo was NOT supposed to beat Floyd and only his true fans and a few of the Floyd haters picked Canelo BUT that only amounted up to 25%. So that there tells you that even the hype didn't really catch on as one is lead to believe.

                  Finally, Floyd was OK to fight an even greener version of Floyd. I said it before it was announced that Floyd will want to fight this version of Canelo that is NOT READY than a more experienced version down the road. Canelo had too many flaws that Floyd could take advantage of ..... Ellerbe said that is why he approved the fight ..... and that was my point!

                  Oh, yeah, go check out what people thought of Canelo before the Trout fight. The Trout fight was not convincing to boxing fans like me who know a thing or two about boxing ..... so some changed their mind based on the Trout fight. Not me ..... for me it proved that Canelo was not ready.

                  Translation: The fight should have happened in 2015 just so the younger Canelo would have been able to beat a 38-year-old past prime, Floyd.

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                  • ADP02
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                    Canelo doesn't have many flaws, Floyd is simply more well rounded and in the foot speed department he's on a different level. There was no "Floyd will want to fight this version of Canelo", it was more of who else was available that the public will be willing to pay for after the Guerrero fight didn't do the numbers that was expected.
                    Canelo has the right flaws that Floyd could have taken advantage of. Ellerbe said so and said "we know of many weaknesses of Canelo and Floyd will take full advantage of them. We are fully aware and I approve this fight ...."

                    Now you are talking about something else. Money fight or taking on the riskier fights. If it was all about money, OK Canelo was your guy, no problem BUT then don't come back and try to tell me that it was the riskier fight because that is what I'm talking about!

                    Still, Manny was going to be bigger but Floyd preferred, taking vacations, fighting others and putting roadblocks. Why not Manny? The reason is that part of the formula to get Floyd and Ellerbe to approve is not just money. It must be combined with low risk!

                    Also, why didn't Floyd even return calls on other threats that were not part of Top Rank? Sergio Martinez, P Williams and other called Floyd out but not even a peep from Floyd. Again, neither was part of TR!

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                    • ADP02
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                      #100
                      Originally posted by illmaticfighter
                      Please log off,no one cares what you say now that is the fight everyone wanted.

                      i'll tell you what fight no one wants and that's pac vs rios
                      You are too biased to even discuss budd. Even Showtime brought up the point about Canelo stepping in the ring at least a year too early. Will you say the same to them?

                      We all have opinions but try to add some facts to yours to back it up, ..... thanks in advance!
                      Last edited by ADP02; 09-28-2013, 03:32 PM.

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