What fighters did Floyd Duck?

[dc3383]

Ok mate that's fine.

I was willing to have a civil discussion about it because I think you're a good poster but it seems you aren't willing to.

That was his way of saying I couldn't make a reply for your answer

[bayareamike]

Seriously, all of you have got to stop with defending Floyd, he has ducked countless fighters, time and time again.

I've gone through this so many times but I'll go through it maybe once more.

Floyd could have fought Kostya prior to his 2005 loss to Hatton. Floyd moved up to 140 circa 2004 and had 3 fights at the weight, against Bruseles, Corley and Gatti....this wasn't a short visit to 140, he was there long enough to fight the best and in Floyd's own words, he only wants to fight the best and biggest names out there. The biggest name at 140, prior to Hatton was Kostya yet Floyd fought relative unknown in Bruseles, a decent fighter but not a major draw in Corley and a badly faded Gatti...Arturo hadn't been anywhere near his best for almost half a decade now. This was the most laughable of all fights at 140.

If Floyd had said I'm moving up to 140 to fight mediocre fighters to get my barings than I wouldn't hold it against him, but he went on record, several times in his career, that he only wants to fight the best. Was Brusele the best? Or Corley? or Gatti? When Kortya was still around and had brutalised Judah, when Cotto was making waves...no, Floyd had the worst pick of opponents possible. Heck, he didn't even fight Hatton at 140 LOL

Then we have his move to 147, his resume prior to "retirement" was Mitchell, Baldomir and Judah. That's not so bad, considering Baldomir had won a huge upset against Judah and Judah was still a relevant and highly skilled fighter at the time. The Mitchell fight is ridiculous but it's understandable. Fair enough, then he moved up to fight Oscar, a ballsy move since Oscar was the best available guy at the weight, I liked the fight A LOT, it had great potential and Floyd deserves all the credit in the world...then came the BS retirement following a good performance against a game, strong and very competitive Hatton.

Hatton was in noway the best guy for Floyd to fight at 147, considering Margarito, Cotto and Mosley were active and Cotto/Marg were getting into the full swing of their primes. This would be understandable if Floyd then fought on in 08, calling out Cotto/Marg or Mosley but none of that happened. Just when the Welterweight division was getting into full swing wit ha crop of terrific fighters, including Paul Williams and Carlos Quintana has other names on a possible list of opponents.

Floyd not only retired but didn't respond to Williams calling him out or Margarito, especially post Cotto. Why is that? There is no doubt those fights would make more money than fights against guys like Mitchell, Bruseles and Baldomir, why didn't they happen? When Floyd was asked about fighting Cotoo/Marg, he replied they had lost...I think i twas Brian Kenny who then reminded him that they lost cos they were fighting each other, a good crop of welters being in good scraps.

Then came the Mosley question, 04-07 Mosley was still very good at 147, still fast, still had an engine in him and could **** with the best of them. Floyd said he didn't fight guys with 5 losses....and yet would fight him in 09 when he was a shot fighter.

So, post retirement then, Floyd went on record to say that he came out of retirement to respond to Marquez's call out....seriously? How is that even defensible? Marquez had, until that point, lost almost every major fight in his career and was a lightweight. Why did Floyd not respond to Margarito or PWill calling him out? Floyd, who says he wants to always fight the best was willing to fight a lightweight and not other, more relevant welterweights? Both of whom would have made him far more money? Is that ducking or not?

Then Floyd would eventually pick on a shot Mosley, even though Pacquiao was now the big man in the division, the other big cash cow and ready to make a 100 million dollar fight....let that money sink in for a second, Floyd can not make that sort of money with any other fighter on the planet, even now.

Floyd has now ducked Pacquiao for 4 years, longer than he ducked Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Williams and Kostya....4 years of the biggest fight in boxing's financial history, in that time he has deemed it fit to fight b level opponents in Guerrero and Ortiz...seriously, those 2? Since Oscar 07, the only half decent fighter he has faced was a post-prime but still very good Miguel Cotto. That's 6 years of 0 major fights...6 years.

And let's not get into the whole Canelo crap, that wasn't a boxing event, it was a marketing event and everyone knows it. Don't be offended but all the dumbass latinos bought into the whole, Canelo is HUGE, he's a beast, he can give Floyd trouble yet everyone knew that Floyd would have an easy...everyone with a basic interest in boxing and non-latino blood. Canelo's best work prior to Floyd was an unconvincing performance against a totally shot to **** Mosley and a very, VERY close decision against Trout. Yet Canelo, an inch shorter than Mayweather, was meant to be a beast, even though it took him an eternity to get rid of old, shot fighters such as Ryan Rhodes and a tiny 140 pounder in Matty Hatton.

Floyd's biggest fight even now is Pacquiao, if not than Bradley or Martinez up at 154, considering Floyd called him out at that weight.

At no point in this post have I mentioned the countless interviews where Floyd says he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao, claiming the media are putting words in his mouth, claiming he cares about his health and his family and that Pacquiao would hurt him too much and ever since Martinez agreed to coming down to 154, Floyd has been schtum on the whole subject, ask yourselves, why is that?

Ethered everyone trying to defend Floyd's bull****. Great post.

[Frank Ducketts]

Again no one. Margarito was never a mandatory nor was he good enough to beat an elite fighter-legally. This is just another troll thread, nothing more. I'm glad Cotto got revenge and retired Margarito. The only inferior fighter that gets props for no reason. I thought Shane beat the reasons out of these clowns hero, lmao!

[Frank Ducketts]

Seriously, all of you have got to stop with defending Floyd, he has ducked countless fighters, time and time again.

I've gone through this so many times but I'll go through it maybe once more.

Floyd could have fought Kostya prior to his 2005 loss to Hatton. Floyd moved up to 140 circa 2004 and had 3 fights at the weight, against Bruseles, Corley and Gatti....this wasn't a short visit to 140, he was there long enough to fight the best and in Floyd's own words, he only wants to fight the best and biggest names out there. The biggest name at 140, prior to Hatton was Kostya yet Floyd fought relative unknown in Bruseles, a decent fighter but not a major draw in Corley and a badly faded Gatti...Arturo hadn't been anywhere near his best for almost half a decade now. This was the most laughable of all fights at 140.

If Floyd had said I'm moving up to 140 to fight mediocre fighters to get my barings than I wouldn't hold it against him, but he went on record, several times in his career, that he only wants to fight the best. Was Brusele the best? Or Corley? or Gatti? When Kortya was still around and had brutalised Judah, when Cotto was making waves...no, Floyd had the worst pick of opponents possible. Heck, he didn't even fight Hatton at 140 LOL

Then we have his move to 147, his resume prior to "retirement" was Mitchell, Baldomir and Judah. That's not so bad, considering Baldomir had won a huge upset against Judah and Judah was still a relevant and highly skilled fighter at the time. The Mitchell fight is ridiculous but it's understandable. Fair enough, then he moved up to fight Oscar, a ballsy move since Oscar was the best available guy at the weight, I liked the fight A LOT, it had great potential and Floyd deserves all the credit in the world...then came the BS retirement following a good performance against a game, strong and very competitive Hatton.

Hatton was in noway the best guy for Floyd to fight at 147, considering Margarito, Cotto and Mosley were active and Cotto/Marg were getting into the full swing of their primes. This would be understandable if Floyd then fought on in 08, calling out Cotto/Marg or Mosley but none of that happened. Just when the Welterweight division was getting into full swing wit ha crop of terrific fighters, including Paul Williams and Carlos Quintana has other names on a possible list of opponents.

Floyd not only retired but didn't respond to Williams calling him out or Margarito, especially post Cotto. Why is that? There is no doubt those fights would make more money than fights against guys like Mitchell, Bruseles and Baldomir, why didn't they happen? When Floyd was asked about fighting Cotoo/Marg, he replied they had lost...I think i twas Brian Kenny who then reminded him that they lost cos they were fighting each other, a good crop of welters being in good scraps.

Then came the Mosley question, 04-07 Mosley was still very good at 147, still fast, still had an engine in him and could **** with the best of them. Floyd said he didn't fight guys with 5 losses....and yet would fight him in 09 when he was a shot fighter.

So, post retirement then, Floyd went on record to say that he came out of retirement to respond to Marquez's call out....seriously? How is that even defensible? Marquez had, until that point, lost almost every major fight in his career and was a lightweight. Why did Floyd not respond to Margarito or PWill calling him out? Floyd, who says he wants to always fight the best was willing to fight a lightweight and not other, more relevant welterweights? Both of whom would have made him far more money? Is that ducking or not?

Then Floyd would eventually pick on a shot Mosley, even though Pacquiao was now the big man in the division, the other big cash cow and ready to make a 100 million dollar fight....let that money sink in for a second, Floyd can not make that sort of money with any other fighter on the planet, even now.

Floyd has now ducked Pacquiao for 4 years, longer than he ducked Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Williams and Kostya....4 years of the biggest fight in boxing's financial history, in that time he has deemed it fit to fight b level opponents in Guerrero and Ortiz...seriously, those 2? Since Oscar 07, the only half decent fighter he has faced was a post-prime but still very good Miguel Cotto. That's 6 years of 0 major fights...6 years.

And let's not get into the whole Canelo crap, that wasn't a boxing event, it was a marketing event and everyone knows it. Don't be offended but all the dumbass latinos bought into the whole, Canelo is HUGE, he's a beast, he can give Floyd trouble yet everyone knew that Floyd would have an easy...everyone with a basic interest in boxing and non-latino blood. Canelo's best work prior to Floyd was an unconvincing performance against a totally shot to **** Mosley and a very, VERY close decision against Trout. Yet Canelo, an inch shorter than Mayweather, was meant to be a beast, even though it took him an eternity to get rid of old, shot fighters such as Ryan Rhodes and a tiny 140 pounder in Matty Hatton.

Floyd's biggest fight even now is Pacquiao, if not than Bradley or Martinez up at 154, considering Floyd called him out at that weight.

At no point in this post have I mentioned the countless interviews where Floyd says he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao, claiming the media are putting words in his mouth, claiming he cares about his health and his family and that Pacquiao would hurt him too much and ever since Martinez agreed to coming down to 154, Floyd has been schtum on the whole subject, ask yourselves, why is that?

Your post is laughable. It's filled with lies and deceit. Marquez knocked the hope out of Pac's fans lmao. There isn't a fighter that you have lied about and said that Floyd ducked that could beat Floyd.

[D4thincarnation]

You got to admire that Al Haymon spin and propaganda, some people on here actually believe Floyd ain't a ducker

[r__mutt]

Sergio? Are you kidding me? As a big Martinez fan, I don't think you can say Sergio was relevant until he was already too big for Floyd. How can a guy be ducking fighters that aren't in a weight class he's fought in? Outrageous.

As a non-Floyd nuthugger but a fan of his talents, its pretty ridiculous to see people hanging on to all his shortcomings like flies on dog ****.

[billeau2]

Mosley and Cotto offer the same deal. Mosley turned it down.

Cotto was the superior fighter back then as well.

Pacquiao had just beating Hatton at light-welter, he is under no obligation to fight Mosley or Cotto at 147lbs.

In January 2009 the top 4 fighter at welterweight rated by Ring Magazine were Margarito, Cotto, Mosley and Clottey.

Pacquiao would go on a defeat all 4 of these in a 18 month period after moving to welterweight.

Your comment before was I believe "do you know anything about boxing and that this was a good place to learn" well irony of ironies....You should take this comment to heart if you catch my drift.

[bayareamike]

The difference is Johnston is a fight he turned down. Only other fight that was offered to him and he turned down was Margarito.

Johnston made sense at that time, he turned it down for whatever reason. Maybe too much risk too low reward. Who knows.

I'm not going to dismiss it just because he fought Castillo at a later date in the near future. He didn't chose Castillo over Johnston.

He didn't duck Kosta Tszyu though like I touched on earlier. Tell me when the Mayweather-Tszyu fight was supposed to happen and how it was going to happen with the network dispute? Even without the network dispute it wouldn't have happened with the timing and Tszyu's injuries.

Another similar situation happened with Freitas with the network dispute. Do you think he ducked him also?

Not even going to touch on Mosley again. Doesn't even need to be touched on.

As for Pacquaio, I have to disagree with you on that one atleast for the first negotiation after the Cotto fight. After all, the sole reason that fight fell through was because Pacquaio walked away from the table due to the dispute over testing.

Later they both didn't pull their weight to make the fight. I don't believe either overly wanted it personally.

You are a ****ing ****rider and it's sickening. Do you know why I know this?

You say "Pacquaio walked away from the table due to the dispute over testing."
FLOYD accused him with no proof whatsoever. Pacquiao was a bigger name than FLOYD at the time. Boxing was proclaimed as "dead" and only one fighter kept boxing in the headlines at the time, and it wasn't floyd mayweather. FLOYD comes back, taints pacquiaos name with this ped farce with NO proof at ALL, demands ost which was unheard of at the time with no PROOF. FLOYD wanted 14 days first. Pacquiao was like "fcuk that, who the fcuk are you known ducker, fine 30 days." Eventually agreed to 14 and FLOYD says no cutoff from then. Then he agrees to 0 days and all FLOYD says is "TAKE THE TEST!" When he agreed for years alreqdy and all FLOYD says in every interview is "TAkE THE TEST!!"

I hear fl0mos say all the time "manny shouldve just took the 14 day cutoff in the first place, FLOYD would've fought him."

No he fcuking wouldn't have, he would've just kept making excuses like he did during the whole damn negotiations. You guys are ****ing pathetic.

[IronDanHamza]

You are a ****ing ****rider and it's sickening. Do you know why I know this?

You say "Pacquaio walked away from the table due to the dispute over testing."
FLOYD accused him with no proof whatsoever. Pacquiao was a bigger name than FLOYD at the time. Boxing was proclaimed as "dead" and only one fighter kept boxing in the headlines at the time, and it wasn't floyd mayweather. FLOYD comes back, taints pacquiaos name with this ped farce with NO proof at ALL, demands ost which was unheard of at the time with no PROOF. FLOYD wanted 14 days first. Pacquiao was like "fcuk that, who the fcuk are you known ducker, fine 30 days." Eventually agreed to 14 and FLOYD says no cutoff from then. Then he agrees to 0 days and all FLOYD says is "TAKE THE TEST!" When he agreed for years alreqdy and all FLOYD says in every interview is "TAkE THE TEST!!"

I hear fl0mos say all the time "manny shouldve just took the 14 day cutoff in the first place, FLOYD would've fought him."

No he fcuking wouldn't have, he would've just kept making excuses like he did during the whole damn negotiations. You guys are ****ing pathetic.

Perhaps.

Pacquaio should have called his bluff as opposed to walking away from the fight.

[ADP02]

Perhaps.

Pacquaio should have called his bluff as opposed to walking away from the fight.

Floyd fans said the same thing later but Manny later agreed but Floyd fans went from "call his bluff" to time to protect Floyd's latest roadblock.

I remember posts "All Manny has to do is call his bluff. If Floyd comes up with another roadblock, even Floyd fans will agree that Floyd is ducking"

Well, Manny said yes but Floyd fans went on protecting Floyd. First they said "we have to hear from Floyd himself" then "Oh, Floyd really said that ..... well, Floyd is right"