Marquez knocked out Pacquiao. Is he greater than Pacquiao?

[crold1]

I didn't get carried away at all. MAB 2 was 6 months later, after MAB surprised everyone and picked up some momentum with the strong challenge vs JMM. He even genuinely thinks he was robbed.

Lets see: 2 fights back Mosley was p4p, Casa was not. Mosley loses 11 rounds to Floyd and hurts him bad. Casa loses 11 rounds to JASC and gets knocked down. Next fight most people had Mosley beating Mora, who was 157 at the weighin. Casa gets knocked out of the ring and needs a hail mary vs Katsidis, who has never even won a paper belt, much less beaten a champ like Forrest. So even p4p Mosley was probably ahead, but h2h obviously he murders that Casa quickly.

He can think what he wants. JMM won about 9-3. It's a good win, at least on par with Saskul, Hatton, or DLH, all fighters MAB was better than at peak and still better than compared to the versions of those men Pac faced.

As to Casa, you keep ignoring Katsidis as if that fight didn't happen and the effort and competitiveness of the Marquez fight. Mosley literally couldn't pull the trigger against Floyd after two rounds and was gassed to hell. The Mora fight flat ******. The Mosley Pac beat < the Casa JMM beat (since you made that silly comparison). Who gives a damn where someone was rated P4P? I saw the actual fights in the ring.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Marg at 150 > Marg at 147 >>> Most of today's welter top 10. p4p it wasn't much (if at all) better than old MAB, but obviously h2h it was a way bigger challenge

You re either a noob or ******

[HeroBando]

Man don't try and flip this. dude, man just admit you ****ed up and were regurgitating something you read.

Are you this dumb, or have you no shame?

[The Big Dunn]

Based on what? You are backpedaling and it stinks

If you think beating a drained, old, 1 yr-removed from he sport Margs is more impressive than MAB then I have a bridge to sell you.

You know why he has Margs so high, because JMM and some other fighter we shall not name didn't fight him.

Thats whats so sad, a number of other posters, including me said Manny, yet didn't have to lie about the reasons why we picked him.

[crold1]

Morales left it in the ring in the raheem fight. If raheem had any pop Morales doesn't make it out of the 10th rd.

although your point about rd 12 of the 1st manny fight was good.

He barely showed up for Raheem. Motivation is an issue as fighters get older. He went hard at Pac the second time and was in the fight until the sixth. I think it was a good win. You don't. Okay.

But yes, round 12. Damn.

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

You know why he has Margs so high, because JMM and some other fighter we shall not name didn't fight him.

Thats whats so sad, a number of other posters, including me said Manny, yet didn't have to lie about the reasons why we picked him.

I think he flexes Margs because a Top Rank commercial told him too

[Frank Ducketts]

You know why he has Margs so high, because JMM and some other fighter we shall not name didn't fight him.

Thats whats so sad, a number of other posters, including me said Manny, yet didn't have to lie about the reasons why we picked him.

Lmmfao. Wow!

[crold1]

You know why he has Margs so high, because JMM and some other fighter we shall not name didn't fight him.

Thats whats so sad, a number of other posters, including me said Manny, yet didn't have to lie about the reasons why we picked him.

Yeah, I don't get this. Margarito was a tough fight, physically, for Manny. It might get a little underrated, if only because Manny had to literally break his face to keep him at bay and endured a nasty body attack in the fifth. But no way in hell he was better than he'd been at 47 when he was beating multiple top ten guys or making Paul Williams dig in to seal the deal in the 12th of their fight (man, that was a fun scrap).

[HeroBando]

He can think what he wants. JMM won about 9-3. It's a good win, at least on par with Saskul, Hatton, or DLH, all fighters MAB was better than at peak and still better than compared to the versions of those men Pac faced.

As to Casa, you keep ignoring Katsidis as if that fight didn't happen and the effort and competitiveness of the Marquez fight. Mosley literally couldn't pull the trigger against Floyd after two rounds and was gassed to hell. The Mora fight flat ******. The Mosley Pac beat < the Casa JMM beat (since you made that silly comparison). Who gives a damn where someone was rated P4P? I saw the actual fights in the ring.

I don't agree with 9-3 at all. I think it was like JMM by 1 point f that KD is scored and the deduction doesn't happen.

Going life and death with Kats is not a great result. It was a great fight, but that's different, As I said, Kats has never even managed to win a belt.

Mosley went up in weight and went 12 with Canelo and never got dropped. You think Casa could do similar? He got stopped by Tim Bradley, and never had a decent win again, not even Cano decent.

Gassing vs Floyd after just giving him the scare of his life is way better than being embarrassed by Santa Cruz, right?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Yeah, I don't get this. Margarito was a tough fight, physically, for Manny. It might get a little underrated, if only because Manny had to literally break his face to keep him at bay and endured a nasty body attack in the fifth. But no way in hell he was better than he'd been at 47 when he was beating multiple top ten guys or making Paul Williams dig in to seal the deal in the 12th of their fight (man, that was a fun scrap).

the Margs fight was TRASH. nothing but MARKETING TRASH. Margs was a puddle that whole year after he got banned. He went life and death with a mexican cab driver and had trouble making weight. Then Pac drains him to win a bogus vacant belt.

that was the epitome of selling a sideshow. i hate that fight.