Marquez knocked out Pacquiao. Is he greater than Pacquiao?

[crold1]

I didn't mean vs Canelo, that's why I said "similar". Meaning go up and fight a big, good punching top JWW. He couldn't even do it vs Bradley.

I like Kats, but he was a David Diaz caliber battler. He can't throw a right hand.

Sometimes these washed up greats can turn back the clock, for example Morales Maidana, or several of JMM's opponents.

Bradley was three years after JMM. I can't even believe you're arguing that because Mosley can stand around a take a beating better as a shot fighter that it says anything about the JMM-Casa fight. All you have to do is watch JMM-Casa. It's a really good fight. That performance, on the heels of Katsidis, speaks to Casa still being a very tough out at that time. It's a better win than Pac-Mosley. Period.

[HeroBando]

Bradley was three years after JMM. I can't even believe you're arguing that because Mosley can stand around a take a beating better as a shot fighter that it says anything about the JMM-Casa fight. All you have to do is watch JMM-Casa. It's a really good fight. That performance, on the heels of Katsidis, speaks to Casa still being a very tough out at that time. It's a better win than Pac-Mosley. Period.

Mosley may still be able to beat Katsidis types without getting knocked out of the ring, and it's many years later. On the Cano showing, he beats or even money with several top tenners still.

I agree Casa looked good vs JMM, like I said, JMM makes many of his opponents look good. You could see his legs were shot though. Casa never won a decent fight again, or came close.

[SD180sx]

I like both but I would still have to say that Pac is better.

[Twako]

Juan Diaz is a better win at Lightweight than Marg at 150 IMO. Again, JMM-MAB rates with other wins for Pac; that MAB JMM fought was still better than Hatton or Saskul IMO. How I rate a win also takes into account its historical value and how Pac won.

oh this is just crap... some ppl are quick to label MAB as past prime even in his first outing w/ pac, as he had wars with morales, but 4yrs later he's an atg win for jmm and not for pac-mab2? hatton may not be a more prolific boxer than mab, but he was the champ at 140 then and just tko'd malignaggi.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

No, JMM might be better but greater No way. 10 time world champion in 8 different weight classes and considering his resume. That's just too damn impressive.

Exactly, the logic that JMM knocked Pac out is as sound as saying Buster Douglas is better than Tyson for the same reason.

[crold1]

oh this is just crap... some ppl are quick to label MAB as past prime even in his first outing w/ pac, as he had wars with morales, but 4yrs later he's an atg win for jmm and not for pac-mab2? hatton may not be a more prolific boxer than mab, but he was the champ at 140 then and just tko'd malignaggi.

Who said that? MAB at the time was everyone's number one at 130, if not lineal like Hatton at 40. I didn't say MAB II wasn't a good win for Pac either. the point was is MAB for JMM on par with any of Manny's top ten wins. Of course it is.

[Twako]

Who said that? MAB at the time was everyone's number one at 130, if not lineal like Hatton at 40. I didn't say MAB II wasn't a good win for Pac either. the point was is MAB for JMM on par with any of Manny's top ten wins. Of course it is.

you words were jmm-mab was better than hatton or sasakul, not on par. hatton and sasakul were lineal championships for pac.

[Johnny2x2x]

pacquaio doesn't have a win as big as marquez knocking out pacquaio so i'd say marquez is greater

Well, if you look at their careers I gie a sligh edge to Pacquio, but head to head I actually have Marquez at 4-0 vs Pacuaio, though he got robbed 3 times.

I'd say Marquez.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Pacquiao is greater and it's not even close. Marquez is the better fighter though.

[crold1]

you words were jmm-mab was better than hatton or sasakul, not on par. hatton and sasakul were lineal championships for pac.

I meant he was a better fighter in the ring. I believe that to be the case. In historical terms, those wins for Pac are more significant.