Marquez knocked out Pacquiao. Is he greater than Pacquiao?

[HeroBando]

What are Manny's top ten wins then.. Morales 2/3 who came off a loss to Raheem and went on a 4 fight loss streak? MAB 1/2?

Give us an indicator in your opinion

I dunno, this is something I've seen in another thread. People ranked Pac wins, and like one out of ten had MAB 2 in his top 10. Where would you rank MAB 2 on his resume?

[Frank Ducketts]

So IYO Tarver > RJJ. Gotcha

No, Tarvers resume is lacking. And Tarver didn't knock Jones unconscious.

[crold1]

He fought him in his very next fight, after MAB well overperformed vs Juan.

Washed up Casa was a crap win. it was probably worse than washed up Mosley in a p4p sense, and not even a contest h2h.

And? So he had more miles on him after JMM. he was still very good. Any way you slice it, that win rates with at least one of Pac's top ten. LOL

And Casa was not more washed up than Mosley. Mosley was coming off his two rounds and gassed outing with Floyd and that ugly ass monstrosity versus Mora. Casa came in off a terrible outing with Santa Cruz, but a fantastic win over Katsidis in a FOTY candidate where he came off the floor to do it. He showed up and gave a hell of a fight to JMM in what was his last great performance. That's a good win, and underrated for JMM (largely because it was on a PPV that sold nada and has gone unseen outside the hardcore).

You can rate Pac over JMM without saying silly things. It's okay to say sometimes, "okay, I got a little carried away there" and laugh about it.

[Frank Ducketts]

JMM is not greater, as Pac has beat JMM more times, and was beating him before being ko'ed. And Pac has the better resume as well.
Style wise JMM is the worse type of fighter Pac can get, yet still beat him. Pac is JMMs dream style to fight, yet pac gave JMM nightmares. Either way, Pac is better.
The fact that JMM knocked Pac out means nothing. As Floyd dont ko anyone so will he get penalized.?

It's time to change the sig.

[crold1]

What are Manny's top ten wins then.. Morales 2/3 who came off a loss to Raheem and went on a 4 fight loss streak? MAB 1/2?

Give us an indicator in your opinion

Morales II was still a very good win. III was gratuitous but fitting to happen given the first two. III doesn't rate as one of his top wins IMO...it is one of the more visceral.

[hhs661]

he's just going to fabricate some list and lower the Barrera win because he didn't know JMM beat him. He should've just been honest and posted Manny because I like him more.

should've, but he opened the cab of worms

I dunno, this is something I've seen in another thread. People ranked Pac wins, and like one out of ten had MAB 2 in his top 10. Where would you rank MAB 2 on his resume?

You should know. You're claiming top ten this and that so I'm intrigued in seeing your list.

I won't dodge your question though. I have mab2 borderline top ten. ahead of the Margarito, Mosley, and David Diaz wins that's for sure

[The Big Dunn]

Morales II was still a very good win. III was gratuitous but fitting to happen given the first two. III doesn't rate as one of his top wins IMO...it is one of the more visceral.

we've discussed #2 before and I think that win is vastly over rated.

[crold1]

we've discussed #2 before and I think that win is vastly over rated.

I didn't say it's his best. I just think it's good. Becoming the first man to stop someone as great as Morales is a feather in the cap and the fight was competitive. Morales left it in the ring last night.

[HeroBando]

And? So he had more miles on him after JMM. he was still very good. Any way you slice it, that win rates with at least one of Pac's top ten. LOL

And Casa was not more washed up than Mosley. Mosley was coming off his two rounds and gassed outing with Floyd and that ugly ass monstrosity versus Mora. Casa came in off a terrible outing with Santa Cruz, but a fantastic win over Katsidis in a FOTY candidate where he came off the floor to do it. He showed up and gave a hell of a fight to JMM in what was his last great performance. That's a good win, and underrated for JMM (largely because it was on a PPV that sold nada and has gone unseen outside the hardcore).

You can rate Pac over JMM without saying silly things. It's okay to say sometimes, "okay, I got a little carried away there" and laugh about it.

I didn't get carried away at all. MAB 2 was 6 months later, after MAB surprised everyone and picked up some momentum with the strong challenge vs JMM. He even genuinely thinks he was robbed.

Lets see: 2 fights back Mosley was p4p, Casa was not. Mosley loses 11 rounds to Floyd and hurts him bad. Casa loses 11 rounds to JASC and gets knocked down. Next fight most people had Mosley beating Mora, who was 157 at the weighin. Casa gets knocked out of the ring and needs a hail mary vs Katsidis, who has never even won a paper belt, much less beaten a champ like Forrest. So even p4p Mosley was probably ahead, but h2h obviously he murders that Casa quickly.

[hhs661]

Morales II was still a very good win. III was gratuitous but fitting to happen given the first two. III doesn't rate as one of his top wins IMO...it is one of the more visceral.

Are you sure about that? Morales came off a loss, disputed or not, against Barrera to end their epic trilogy. Beat Manny then lost his next 4. Who's to say Morales-Pac I want his last great performance cause he went downhill from that moment. I don't see it as that great of a win as maybe others do