Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[crold1]

In other words, the large gaping holes in their resume(s) are primarly due to their own inadequacies? They just couldn't dominate when it actually mattered... when they were competing in a much deeper & tougher era.

I think there is much to be said for them having missed the chance to be further elevated if they'd been better engaged in the late 90s and early 2000s. Guys like Ike, Tua, and Rahman were being tested far harder at the same time. Wlad at least walked through Byrd and beat McCline when he was a serious contender. he also shelled Schultz and Barrett when they were still solid. That he overcame his setbacks and has gone on the run he has, winning every belt but the WBC, is laudable.

Vitali doesn't have as deep a roster to draw from even if he 'avenged' the Sanders and Purrity losses (the latter is a bad loss for Wlad and not a good win for Vitali years later). And for all his accolades, Vitali beating Sanders wasn't something impossible (Sanders was a one trick pony who happened to land on the right guy on the right night). Rahman beat a better conditioned Sanders earlier. Rahman also knocked Lewis out. It seems sometimes Vitali gets more credit for losing against the worst Lewis there ever was than Rahman gets for finishing an admittedly not in peak shape then either Lewis in a good fight. Where he trumps Rahman is in his ability to stay in shape and last.

[Boxing Goat]

That's was pretty funny.

The rest of the thread was funny too in a sadistic way, Jab and Cliff laid a beat down as expected in typical 1 sided fashion by just presenting facts. A couple of groupies always hang in for the fight in good fighting spirit, but it's always the same total pummelling

I can respect that but it's more of a matter of who decides to give up first. Those guys seem to have some personal stake in this online banter and tend to stay on it longer. Me, I have a normal life and much better things to do and think about.

[Boxing Goat]

It would be fine if people just called him a good fighter. The problem is when the insane posters around here call him a top 20 ATG heavyweight and try to pretend he belongs right beside his brother. It's absolutely ridiculous.

It's because he's not just a good fighter. He is 14-2 in title fights and has never been knocked down, not even by the ATG he did get a chance to face.
And, you're right, he's not beside his brother, he's ahead of him.

Wladimir is where he is because of Vitali.

The proof is in the fact that Vitali dominated two guys that stopped Wladimir.

Wlad may have the better resume because of longevity (allowed by Vitali's retirement only) but he is not the better, tougher fighter.

That's been proven.

[Boxing Goat]

Lennox won the WBC only four years into his career.

Good point, Vitali won his 1st title 2.6 years into his career.

[Daddy T]

Good point, Vitali won his 1st title 2.6 years into his career.

and lost it to Byrd a couple of fights later...

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

I can respect that but it's more of a matter of who decides to give up first. Those guys seem to have some personal stake in this online banter and tend to stay on it longer. Me, I have a normal life and much better things to do and think about.

As we say in german : " Du sprichst mir aus der Seele" +1000

[JAB5239]

I can respect that but it's more of a matter of who decides to give up first. Those guys seem to have some personal stake in this online banter and tend to stay on it longer. Me, I have a normal life and much better things to do and think about.

Actually it a matter of who provides more facts and logic. You nor any other nuthugger has done that.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

It's because he's not just a good fighter. He is 14-2 in title fights and has never been knocked down, not even by the ATG he did get a chance to face.
And, you're right, he's not beside his brother, he's ahead of him.

Wladimir is where he is because of Vitali.

The proof is in the fact that Vitali dominated two guys that stopped Wladimir.

Wlad may have the better resume because of longevity (allowed by Vitali's retirement only) but he is not the better, tougher fighter.

That's been proven.

Vitali is definitely ahead of Wladimir. There is no doubt about it. And there are some boxing expert who totally back up what you say.

Wladimir is also aweso'e but I mean look guys : he struggled in his first fight against Peter, Vitali DEMOLISHED him, he got dismantled by Sanders, Vitali BRUTALIZED him, he outpunchex himself against Ross Purity, Vitali weared him down methodically.

Just think about Vitali vs Peter. Dr.Ironfist stayed 4 years outside of the ring, came back and gave a lesson to the Title holder. Vitali is a class act!

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Agreed.

It would be utterly asinine to compare a country which produced the likes of Hagler, Ali, Marciano, Frazier, Foreman, Lamotta, SRR etc. etc. etc. With a region of the world which is notoriously rife with glass hearts, glass jaws, glass mentality's etc.

There almost hasn't been a top level Eastern European boxer that has NOT shown a degree of mental frailty at some point in their career(s). And that's actually from top to bottom. From the Tsyzu's & Michalewski's...all the way down to the Dimentrenko's & Senchenko's.

Says the guy who support Deontay alias " cab driver beater" Wilder.

From the guys you mentioned, I would definitely,put Foreman, Ali and Marciano in the list when it comes to mental toughness. But I mean come on , can we really compare a 42 years Vitali with a 34 years old Ali or a 42 years old Foreman when it comes to the physique. You already know the answer...

[JAB5239]

Says the guy who support Deontay alias " cab driver beater" Wilder.

From the guys you mentioned, I would definitely,put Foreman, Ali and Marciano in the list when it comes to mental toughness. But I mean come on , can we really compare a 42 years Vitali with a 34 years old Ali or a 42 years old Foreman when it comes to the physique. You already know the answer...

Why would you be comparing fighter physiques unless discussing stamina? And we already know old George had pretty good stamina unlike todays lumps!