Doug Fisher on the Margarito handwrap scandal

[edgarg]

I have to say after reading the FULL report on what the commission found, I don't think Margarito cheated.

I have changed my story because I listened to what everyone was saying like Doug Fisher said, but what they found in his wraps was TRACES of calcium and oxygen.

They also admitted in the report that it could have come from anything he touched, or where the wraps were stored.

They had to punish him because those are technically illegal substances, but the idea that a "brick" fell out of his wraps as first reported was simply not true.

A boxer I know, who I won't name, told me he's NEVER seen anyone work as hard as Margarito in his life. Including a particular story of him running up a mountain road when the van that was supposed to take him to the gym broke down.

Dude was a beast in training, and hit hard as ***. He may not have been the most skilled boxer, but wraps didn't give him a giant ***in pair of balls and a heart that pumps Mexican blood.

One of the VERY few intelligent comments on this subject. It was obvious from the start that there was no "plaster'. He was shaking hands in the ring after the Cotto fight; his gloves were taken off with no brilliant detectives (like the liar Big-Belly Richardson) saying ...Aha... I've been writing about this ever since I read the FULL Commission documentation which clearly showed that Margarito DID NOT KNOW anything about his wraps, that the WHOLE c****roo (I use this crude lingo because the low-mentalities here understand it better) was, according to the FIRST Comissioner who touched it "...a used gauze pad which felt as if there'd been some water drops, and slightly stiffer in spots....." That was the WHOLE piece of drek.

You made just one error-correct me of I'm wrong- The report said that there were traces (read minute amounts) of TWO of the ingredients which could make Plaster-of-Paris. A missing component was oxygen. The report also said that these two traces were substances which were commonly used in many items around the world, especially in COSMETICS.... (think powder) Another lab report said that they were to be found in just about every kitchen on the globe.

The penalty was because "you are the head of your team so you must take the responsibility..." Margarito was found not to have known about the used pad. Yes folks that's EXACTLY what it was...just a used gauze pad. It was supposed to be new......That was the "illegality". And THIS is why Arum, a lawyer himself, was so supportive of Margarito. He KNEW that he was getting a bad naem for no good reason.

As for any kind of "plaster" conspiracy anywhere, all this was shattered (literally and figuratively) by the test that was done by Boxing Illustrated in the 1960s. It was to find out what merit there was in Jack Kearns' assertion in a book that he'd dipped Dempsey's wraps in water and then in plaster powder, just before his fight with Jess Willard. Cleveland Williams made the test in front of over 50 of the top experts. They did it exactly as the book described and even "hardened" the items with some heat. Williams said that from the first punch at the heavy bag he felt it crumble and after 3-4 punches they examined it and it was just broken up into powder. This was REAL PofP not "traces of 2 components".

And...by the way.. a little investigation of Willard's supposed injuries showed that they were fiction manufactured by the press. He had NO broken jaws, ribs nor eye sockets. He gave a LONG interview to the press the very next day before noon whilst sitting in his car (with his wife and their luggage) to begin their drive home, over 800 miles. He showed a little swelling and a few bruises on his face. NOTHING MORE. I've seen the picture of that interview with Willard and his wife sitting in their car with a horde of reporters around. And he was smiling. He's just earned a huge (for the time) paycheck.

I suppose you've all heard that after a revolution the first intention is to hang all the lawyers and newspaper reporters....

At the time Kearns wrote the book he was broke, and trying to arouse interest in it. Not long before, he'd come into the RING office and Nat Fleischer related that he was stony-broke, and I "bought" a story from him, really just giving him $100. "Dempsey never had plaster on his wraps, the gloves were put on in the ring, I was in the dressing-room and Kearns was nowhere near. His wraps were put on by his trainer". But Dempsey did such a great job that the story immediately spread.

I've read that there are 23 different iron ****es in museums around the world all supposed to be what Dempsey had in his glove........

All I can say is that on THIS SITE especially, there are low-life, ignorant, malice-impelled cretins who jump on anything to denigrate an honest fighter, whenever they get the opportunity. This is what makes me sick and less and less inclined to post.

[Antwuan Maxx]

I can't remember if it was at the initial hearing between Margarito and the CSAC or the hearing with the NSAC where he was trying to regain his license, but Margarito was asked what would have happened had his wraps before the Mosley fight not been confiscated. He flat out stated something to the effect of "It would have been a great danger to Shane." That alone kills any conjecture that suggests that his wraps prior to the Mosley fight were harmless. The man himself admitted they were a danger.

[ßringer]

I can't remember if it was at the initial hearing between Margarito and the CSAC or the hearing with the NSAC where he was trying to regain his license, but Margarito was asked what would have happened had his wraps before the Mosley fight not been confiscated. He flat out stated something to the effect of "It would have been a great danger to Shane." That alone kills any conjecture that suggests that his wraps prior to the Mosley fight were harmless. The man himself admitted they were a danger.

*Citation needed.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Shane Mosley who struggled with Ricardo Mayorga and people were concerned about him dying in the Margarito fight? The public perception of him was dead man walking going into that fight. And didn't Cotto beat Mosley? Yeah.

Cotto's chin is so underrated and it's a damn shame. I've argued that exact topic with you before.

He was beating top WW's and was top 10 P4P going into that fight. Torres? At 140, he got wobbled a lot towards the end because of clear struggle to make the weight.

The public perception doesn't really mean anything. People worried for Holyfield against Tyson, Calzaghe against Lacy, Hopkins against Pavlik.

Cotto beat Mosley but it doesn't mean he was a tougher man, styles make fights. You sound like a casual fan.

Cotto's chin is mediocre, his defence is rubbish and Margarito was all wrong for him.

Mosley had a great gameplan and he caught Margarito at one of his worst times. Shane has a granite chin, is much faster than Cotto and hits harder than Cotto. Margarito laughed off all of Miguel's punches. Cotto fans rarely ever consider these factors and are happy to believe it was all plaster.

[El Angel]

The public perception doesn't really mean anything. People worried for Holyfield against Tyson, Calzaghe against Lacy, Hopkins against Pavlik.

Cotto beat Mosley but it doesn't mean he was a tougher man, styles make fights. You sound like a casual fan.

Cotto's chin is mediocre, his defence is rubbish and Margarito was all wrong for him.

Mosley had a great gameplan and he caught Margarito at one of his worst times. Shane has a granite chin, is much faster than Cotto and hits harder than Cotto. Margarito laughed off all of Miguel's punches. Cotto fans rarely ever consider these factors and are happy to believe it was all plaster.

When did I say Cotto was tougher than Mosley? Mosley has a better chin and is more durable, but he didn't get touched very much in that fight. Margarito was defeated mentally before he entered the ring, he looked terrible from the first bell.

Casual fan? Come on, don't you think Margarito thought he was getting an older softer touch opponent too? He saw what we all saw, that Shane looked very old against Mayorga until the KO.

Cotto was pulled down by Torres and took a knee against Margo, only Pacquiao checked his chin and dropped him hard. But yeah his chin is "rubbish".

Agree to disagree again on the same topic we've argued on and off about since I started posting again.

[Lords]

[Frank Ducketts]

No proof he ever cheated and Cotto fans are way to arrogant to think that he'd need to cheat to beat Miguel. That's what always gets me. The sheer arrogance of Cotto fanboys. You never hear fans of any of the other fighters Margarito fought complain so much about the handwrap ****. Tony had his number, his style is always one that would make Miguel wilt

So what happened in the rematch?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

When did I say Cotto was tougher than Mosley? Mosley has a better chin and is more durable, but he didn't get touched very much in that fight. Margarito was defeated mentally before he entered the ring, he looked terrible from the first bell.

Casual fan? Come on, don't you think Margarito thought he was getting an older softer touch opponent too? He saw what we all saw, that Shane looked very old against Mayorga until the KO.

Margarito didn't want the Shane Mosley fight. Oscar De La Hoya told the world he'd fight the winner of Cotto-Margarito and then b1tched out after Tony destroyed Miguel.

The Mosley fight was virtually forced on Margarito who probably needed a longer rest after the Cotto fight. He gained a significant amount of weight and they were using faulty scales throughout their camp. He came in at 145 for Mosley and looked terrible at the weigh-in. I've never seen Margarito look so concerned at a weigh-in, he is usually all smiles.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So what happened in the rematch?

Margarito had taken serious punishment in two fights against Mosley and Pacquaio in between a year long suspension. He was shot to **** and one eyed.

Cotto came with an improved gameplan and got a doctor stoppage before the championship rounds.

[Antwuan Maxx]

*Citation needed.

It stems from Dan Rafael transcribing the hearing during one of his weekly chats. Here's the the thread from that particular time, the Margarito part I mentioned is near the very end of this post...

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...00&postcount=2