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Originally posted by edgarg
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One of the VERY few intelligent comments on this subject. It was obvious from the start that there was no "plaster'. He was shaking hands in the ring after the Cotto fight; his gloves were taken off with no brilliant detectives (like the liar Big-Belly Richardson) saying ...Aha... I've been writing about this ever since I read the FULL Commission documentation which clearly showed that Margarito DID NOT KNOW anything about his wraps, that the WHOLE c****roo (I use this crude lingo because the low-mentalities here understand it better) was, according to the FIRST Comissioner who touched it "...a used gauze pad which felt as if there'd been some water drops, and slightly stiffer in spots....." That was the WHOLE piece of drek.
You made just one error-correct me of I'm wrong- The report said that there were traces (read minute amounts) of TWO of the ingredients which could make Plaster-of-Paris. A missing component was oxygen. The report also said that these two traces were substances which were commonly used in many items around the world, especially in COSMETICS.... (think powder) Another lab report said that they were to be found in just about every kitchen on the globe.
The penalty was because "you are the head of your team so you must take the responsibility..." Margarito was found not to have known about the used pad. Yes folks that's EXACTLY what it was...just a used gauze pad. It was supposed to be new......That was the "illegality". And THIS is why Arum, a lawyer himself, was so supportive of Margarito. He KNEW that he was getting a bad naem for no good reason.
As for any kind of "plaster" conspiracy anywhere, all this was shattered (literally and figuratively) by the test that was done by Boxing Illustrated in the 1960s. It was to find out what merit there was in Jack Kearns' assertion in a book that he'd dipped Dempsey's wraps in water and then in plaster powder, just before his fight with Jess Willard. Cleveland Williams made the test in front of over 50 of the top experts. They did it exactly as the book described and even "hardened" the items with some heat. Williams said that from the first punch at the heavy bag he felt it crumble and after 3-4 punches they examined it and it was just broken up into powder. This was REAL PofP not "traces of 2 components".
And...by the way.. a little investigation of Willard's supposed injuries showed that they were fiction manufactured by the press. He had NO broken jaws, ribs nor eye sockets. He gave a LONG interview to the press the very next day before noon whilst sitting in his car (with his wife and their luggage) to begin their drive home, over 800 miles. He showed a little swelling and a few bruises on his face. NOTHING MORE. I've seen the picture of that interview with Willard and his wife sitting in their car with a horde of reporters around. And he was smiling. He's just earned a huge (for the time) paycheck.
I suppose you've all heard that after a revolution the first intention is to hang all the lawyers and newspaper reporters....
At the time Kearns wrote the book he was broke, and trying to arouse interest in it. Not long before, he'd come into the RING office and Nat Fleischer related that he was stony-broke, and I "bought" a story from him, really just giving him $100. "Dempsey never had plaster on his wraps, the gloves were put on in the ring, I was in the dressing-room and Kearns was nowhere near. His wraps were put on by his trainer". But Dempsey did such a great job that the story immediately spread.
I've read that there are 23 different iron ****es in museums around the world all supposed to be what Dempsey had in his glove........
All I can say is that on THIS SITE especially, there are low-life, ignorant, malice-impelled cretins who jump on anything to denigrate an honest fighter, whenever they get the opportunity. This is what makes me sick and less and less inclined to post.
You made just one error-correct me of I'm wrong- The report said that there were traces (read minute amounts) of TWO of the ingredients which could make Plaster-of-Paris. A missing component was oxygen. The report also said that these two traces were substances which were commonly used in many items around the world, especially in COSMETICS.... (think powder) Another lab report said that they were to be found in just about every kitchen on the globe.
The penalty was because "you are the head of your team so you must take the responsibility..." Margarito was found not to have known about the used pad. Yes folks that's EXACTLY what it was...just a used gauze pad. It was supposed to be new......That was the "illegality". And THIS is why Arum, a lawyer himself, was so supportive of Margarito. He KNEW that he was getting a bad naem for no good reason.
As for any kind of "plaster" conspiracy anywhere, all this was shattered (literally and figuratively) by the test that was done by Boxing Illustrated in the 1960s. It was to find out what merit there was in Jack Kearns' assertion in a book that he'd dipped Dempsey's wraps in water and then in plaster powder, just before his fight with Jess Willard. Cleveland Williams made the test in front of over 50 of the top experts. They did it exactly as the book described and even "hardened" the items with some heat. Williams said that from the first punch at the heavy bag he felt it crumble and after 3-4 punches they examined it and it was just broken up into powder. This was REAL PofP not "traces of 2 components".
And...by the way.. a little investigation of Willard's supposed injuries showed that they were fiction manufactured by the press. He had NO broken jaws, ribs nor eye sockets. He gave a LONG interview to the press the very next day before noon whilst sitting in his car (with his wife and their luggage) to begin their drive home, over 800 miles. He showed a little swelling and a few bruises on his face. NOTHING MORE. I've seen the picture of that interview with Willard and his wife sitting in their car with a horde of reporters around. And he was smiling. He's just earned a huge (for the time) paycheck.
I suppose you've all heard that after a revolution the first intention is to hang all the lawyers and newspaper reporters....
At the time Kearns wrote the book he was broke, and trying to arouse interest in it. Not long before, he'd come into the RING office and Nat Fleischer related that he was stony-broke, and I "bought" a story from him, really just giving him $100. "Dempsey never had plaster on his wraps, the gloves were put on in the ring, I was in the dressing-room and Kearns was nowhere near. His wraps were put on by his trainer". But Dempsey did such a great job that the story immediately spread.
I've read that there are 23 different iron ****es in museums around the world all supposed to be what Dempsey had in his glove........
All I can say is that on THIS SITE especially, there are low-life, ignorant, malice-impelled cretins who jump on anything to denigrate an honest fighter, whenever they get the opportunity. This is what makes me sick and less and less inclined to post.
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