All access "Canelo's impressive time of 3:00 in the 800" wth.

[Da Machine]

I did factor this in. It makes virtually no difference at this distance. I had to check because his times are shocking so I almost couldn't believe them - I also thought it must be altitude.
http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html gives this.

Predicted 0.8 km Finish Times by Altitude
Elevation Time min/km min/mile
sea level 2:59.5 3:44.4 6:01.2
1000 ft (305 m) 2:59.7 3:44.6 6:01.4
2000 ft (610 m) 2:59.8 3:44.8 6:01.7
3000 ft (914 m) 2:59.9 3:44.9 6:02.0
4000 ft (1219 m) 3:00.1 3:45.1 6:02.3
5000 ft (1524 m) 3:00.2 3:45.3 6:02.5
6000 ft (1829 m) 3:00.4 3:45.4 6:02.8
7000 ft (2134 m) 3:00.5 3:45.6 6:03.1
8000 ft (2438 m) 3:00.6 3:45.8 6:03.4
9000 ft (2743 m) 3:00.8 3:46.0 6:03.6
10000 ft (3048 m) 3:00.9 3:46.1 6:03.9
Calculations are based on data from Daniels' Running Formula by Jack Daniels PhD.

So the difference between sea level and 10000 feet is a mighty 1.4 seconds and big bear is more like 7000ft.

Those have nothing to do with running intervals.

[Tay Roc]

Silly yank. For the most part, American's are good at sports that nobody else cares about.

Please amend your math calculations to factor in for Canelo's Snake. It would give your argument more credence.

[stefl14]

You guys are forgetting about the altitude at Big Bear, its over 6000ft. When my relatives from the UK come to visit me here at 3500ft, some of them can't even run up a set of stairs.

For **** sake I've mentioned this a million times - I've not forgotten it at all so here it is again.

Predicted 0.8 km Finish Times by Altitude
Elevation Time min/km min/mile
sea level 2:59.5 3:44.4 6:01.2
1000 ft (305 m) 2:59.7 3:44.6 6:01.4
2000 ft (610 m) 2:59.8 3:44.8 6:01.7
3000 ft (914 m) 2:59.9 3:44.9 6:02.0
4000 ft (1219 m) 3:00.1 3:45.1 6:02.3
5000 ft (1524 m) 3:00.2 3:45.3 6:02.5
6000 ft (1829 m) 3:00.4 3:45.4 6:02.8
7000 ft (2134 m) 3:00.5 3:45.6 6:03.1
8000 ft (2438 m) 3:00.6 3:45.8 6:03.4
9000 ft (2743 m) 3:00.8 3:46.0 6:03.6
10000 ft (3048 m) 3:00.9 3:46.1 6:03.9
Calculations are based on data from Daniels' Running Formula by Jack Daniels PhD.

This should not come as a surprise to the sports scientists amongst you who know that 800m is largely anaerobic.

[stefl14]

Those have nothing to do with running intervals.

Seriously, 7000ft is not that high. As for the intervals thing, I was told Canelo is resting for 2 minutes or so, in which case it's highly relevant. Nobody here is going to convince me that his times are respectable for a professional athlete because they simply aren't. You'd get loads of guys on this forum who could do better and I'd put a good deal of money down on myself beating Canelo.

[Bushidō]

Lol at stamina issues. Canelo isn't going to have stamina issues in this fight, just like he hasn't in any other fight, besides arguably Trout.

He hasn't actually had issues yet because no one has pushed him to the level where we see its a problem. He fights at the same pace the whole fight. Mayweather will no doubt work the body. We'll see how good Canelo stamina is the 2nd half of the fight

[Tay Roc]

For **** sake I've mentioned this a million times - I've not forgotten it at all so here it is again.

Predicted 0.8 km Finish Times by Altitude
Elevation Time min/km min/mile
sea level 2:59.5 3:44.4 6:01.2
1000 ft (305 m) 2:59.7 3:44.6 6:01.4
2000 ft (610 m) 2:59.8 3:44.8 6:01.7
3000 ft (914 m) 2:59.9 3:44.9 6:02.0
4000 ft (1219 m) 3:00.1 3:45.1 6:02.3
5000 ft (1524 m) 3:00.2 3:45.3 6:02.5
6000 ft (1829 m) 3:00.4 3:45.4 6:02.8
7000 ft (2134 m) 3:00.5 3:45.6 6:03.1
8000 ft (2438 m) 3:00.6 3:45.8 6:03.4
9000 ft (2743 m) 3:00.8 3:46.0 6:03.6
10000 ft (3048 m) 3:00.9 3:46.1 6:03.9
Calculations are based on data from Daniels' Running Formula by Jack Daniels PhD.

This should not come as a surprise to the sports scientists amongst you who know that 800m is largely anaerobic.

After reading your posts and calculations, I have come to the conclusion that you forgot to factor in the altitude. Big mistake. Canelo trains in BIG BEAR, which is in the MOUNTAINS.

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I don't know why people keep bringing up Big Bear as an excuse, because I'd assume he's been acclimated to the elevation. I live and train in an area in Colorado similar in elevation and sometimes I go workout in a town (Snowmass/Aspen) that's even higher, has never affected my performance.



Anyways, I don't think the sprints are what's hurting Canelo's stamina because he's so explosive and quick. My take is I think he doesn't do enough endurance training such as long distance running or biking and other aerobic training for a sustained period of time.

[New England]

I wonder if this is something indicative of a lot of top boxers.

There is an interview with Ashley Theophane and he acknowledges that the sparring he gets in America is better than he gets at home but he says that British fighters tend to be better conditioned. I thought that was interesting.

lol.....

carl froch and joe calzaghe, perhaps. most brits wouldn't win a fight in the states. carson jones and ray beltran are heroic figures to the brits.

[-Jay-]

Sorry, only read the first page.

Some people just aren't great at running. I'm not going to stay Canelo's stamina is fantastic but using this to stay he is going to gas against Floyd isn't wise. I can't run worth **** but can do rounds on the heavy bag and pads for 15 rounds. (No I'm not fighting but its an example.)

[Tay Roc]

Anyways, I don't think the sprints are what's hurting Canelo's stamina because he's so explosive and quick. My take is I think he doesn't do enough endurance training such as long distance running or biking and other aerobic training for a sustained period of time.

100% correct. He needs to be doing distance training.