Why is everyone so Adamant about not making Martinez P4P #1?

[Humean]

I agree that Sergio wouldn't be P4P#1, but people need to stop trolling with the Murray fight, it wasn't even close to a robbery (Martinez v. Cintron/Sturm v. DLH/Abril v. Rios, those are robberies).

If you score the fight round by round there is no way Murray could have won the fight even if he had been awarded the knockdown. It's also worth noting that in the first knockdown Murray actually stepped on Sergio's foot and it could have easily been ruled out, the second was a clear punch behind the head. Murray hardly through a punch in the first 4 rounds (got hit with a clean hard left in the 4th), lost the 7th round clearly, and went survival mode in the last two. He did however win rounds 6, 8, and 10 in very clear fashion and rounds 5 and 9 were very close.

I feel like many people watched highlights of the fight or never even bothered scoring it round by round. Regardless, the polls on this site showed that most people thought Sergio had won the fight so I guess there must be a conglomerate of Sergio haters gathered here.

I like Martinez but I scored it 115-112 Murray, did I have my British goggles on? Possibly but it was a very close fight that could have went either way. Not a robbery by any means but I do think Murray deserved it and that thought is only heightened by the fact that the referee inexplicably missed the second knockdown. Can anyone explain that decision to me because I cannot see what the referee was seeing there? Martinez did fall over Murray's foot/leg in the first knockdown but he also got hit flush on the face with I think a right cross whilst leaning back. It was a legit knockdown.

[BafanaBafana]

I like Martinez but I scored it 115-112 Murray, did I have my British goggles on? Possibly but it was a very close fight that could have went either way.

Well at least you're honest, I can respect that.

Not a robbery by any means but I do think Murray deserved it and that thought is only heightened by the fact that the referee inexplicably missed the second knockdown. Can anyone explain that decision to me because I cannot see what the referee was seeing there?

I thought it was a blow behind the head, you can argue that Sergio was leaning down, but Murray still hit him behind the ear.

Martinez did fall over Murray's foot/leg in the first knockdown but he also got hit flush on the face with I think a right cross whilst leaning back. It was a legit knockdown.

Murray actually stepped on Sergio's foot while Sergio was on the backfoot.

[boliodogs]

Pfp is just opinion and it can never be proven. If you think he is #1 then put him #1. Probably people are adamant that he is not #1 it's because they don't think he deserves it. I don't think he is close to #1 and off his last fight I wouldn't put him in the top 10 anymore. I think GGG would beat him easily but he has no intention of ever fighting GGG.He is not fighting the best middleweights. He lost to Williams and he had a draw with Cintron. The fact that he is the lineal champ means nothing in my pfp ratings. If he would fight and defeat the best middleweights like GGG or Quillian I woulkd be impressed but he won't do that. Instead he calls out smaller fighters that fight at 154 or 147.

[Bushidō]

He's been very impressive but he is starting to fade. The moment you put him at 1 p4p hes going to get knocked out.

[Humean]

Well at least you're honest, I can respect that.



I thought it was a blow behind the head, you can argue that Sergio was leaning down, but Murray still hit him behind the ear.



Murray actually stepped on Sergio's foot while Sergio was on the backfoot.

I just watched the second knockdown on Youtube, you might be right that that why the referee didn't call a knockdown but I think he still should have because Martinez did duck in that fashion to allow for that punch to hit him there. Few other referees would have failed to score that as a knockdown.

It is clear that without the trip that Martinez would not have hit the canvas but it was still a legit knockdown because the punch landed and landed very clean and pretty hard. Murray is not an especially powerful puncher though.

[Ray Corso]

Hi best wins and opponents were at WW years ago. The guy runs away and uses the excuse that its boxing! No, its running!!!
He has talents and is well coordinated and well schooled at what he does but he had Junior ready to go in their bout and just kept running away!
To me he's a good boxer who never takes chances since he became a middleweight. He's never fought a great fighter or a p4p best so to rank him as one is tuff to do. To evaluate him on his own style and form with techniques I'd say he's a technician that would rather not engage, rather stay away and try to out point his opponents. If his opponent doesn't press him the fight will be a bore, he simply isn't an exciting fighter on his own.
Ray

[HeroBando]

Hi best wins and opponents were at WW years ago. The guy runs away and uses the excuse that its boxing! No, its running!!!
He has talents and is well coordinated and well schooled at what he does but he had Junior ready to go in their bout and just kept running away!
To me he's a good boxer who never takes chances since he became a middleweight. He's never fought a great fighter or a p4p best so to rank him as one is tuff to do. To evaluate him on his own style and form with techniques I'd say he's a technician that would rather not engage, rather stay away and try to out point his opponents. If his opponent doesn't press him the fight will be a bore, he simply isn't an exciting fighter on his own.
Ray

His 2 best wins were at MW. Remember he moved up from SWW to step in for Pavlik vs PWill. Then fought Pavlik and PWill back to back and got himself ranked p4p top 5. Since then he's been semi cherrypicking

[marvelousmatt]

He says his dream is to become number 1 P4P.
Well I feel he is easily 2-3...now some people might might Marquez, Pacquiao and etc in that grouping.

But to me it's clear he's on his way. Dude is the LINEAL, Undisputed MW champ of the world, the most dominant MW champ since Roy Jones Jr.
Has not taking any EASY fights, "maybe not the most popular"
And he is more active than some of the YOUNGER guys...IE Gamboa, Russell and Andre Ward all while being much older.

So is response to the other thread regarding "If May losses who is P4P number 1" it's clear It's Marvilla Martinez.

Sergio is # 3 P4P right now on my list until proven otherwise. He will of course have some serious competition from Bradley/JMM winner.

[Weebler I]

he lost his last fight and he refuses to fight the #1 guy in his division. GTFO!

pretty much nailed it

I like Martinez but I scored it 115-112 Murray, did I have my British goggles on?

No you didn't, on a poll they did over there 72% of Argentines thought Murray won.

[marvelousmatt]

I like Martinez but I scored it 115-112 Murray, did I have my British goggles on? Possibly but it was a very close fight that could have went either way. Not a robbery by any means but I do think Murray deserved it and that thought is only heightened by the fact that the referee inexplicably missed the second knockdown. Can anyone explain that decision to me because I cannot see what the referee was seeing there? Martinez did fall over Murray's foot/leg in the first knockdown but he also got hit flush on the face with I think a right cross whilst leaning back. It was a legit knockdown.

I had Sergio winning 114-113. The difference in the fight was the KD that was not scored.