Why is everyone so Adamant about not making Martinez P4P #1?

[-PBP-]

He arguably lost his last fight

[BafanaBafana]

This guy said most dominant MW since Jones, as if Hopkins didn't rule the division for a decade

Nice troll attempt. P-Will, Chavez, and a few euro guys doesn't compare to Hopkins. Hell it's on par with Jermain Taylors reign.

So I guess the IBF title is the legitimate lineal title now? Hopkins didn't unify any titles until 2001. Steve Frank, Joe Lipsey, William Bo James, Andrew Council, Syd Vanderpool are all ATG defenses right...? Then you have the truly elite level, the Antwun Echols', Morrade Hakkar's, Robert Allen's (trilogy), Carl Daniels' of the world.

I don't dispute that Hopkins has had the best middleweight reign since Hagler, but it does get a little bit overrated considering his best wins are Trinidad and DLH, two overblown welterweights (DLH could in a sense be considered an overblown 130 pounder lol). The also lost to the best opponents he faced at the weight: Roy Jones (near shutout), J. Taylor x 2.

Sergio Martinez's reign is a bit underrated, he's been the champ since 2010 and has had 6 defences (4KOs) and some decent fights at the weight, Pavlik, Williams x 2, Chavez Jr, Macklin, Murray, Barker (looks better now).

[mathed]

Okay, number one, after the Paul Williams KO, he went on a 2 year journeyman tour of overmatched opponents. Maybe guys were avoiding him or his demands were too high, but the bottom line is he couldn't get a live opponent into the ring with him. He finally gets Chavez Jr., and almost gets knocked out in the 12th round . He then returned to unknown european journeyman...he did this for 2 YEARS last time, its unknown how long it lasts this time .

During Martinez's first extended journeyman tour? When he was figting facebook friends ? Andre Ward was going through murderer's row in the super six tournament. He's gotta start getting guys into the ring with him...

Meanwhile, Barker is now the champ, Chavez is finished after ducking Martinez for 2 years, and all of his opposition resides inside the MW top 10.

Ward hasn't fought in a year and it appears as if only ESPN is even willing to pay for his fights. By "murder's row" I hope you aren't counting Allen Green and Shelby Pudwill as well....I mean come on.

Bottom line is Martinez isn't fighting anyone until he properly heals up and when he returns, he'll take a light touch as a tune up and then go for Golovkin.

[mathed]

He arguably lost his last fight

lol, an argument anyone would lose. Why? Because he won a UD.

[ИATAS]

So I guess the IBF title is the legitimate lineal title now? Steve Frank, Joe Lipsey, William Bo James, Andrew Council, Syd Vanderpool are all ATG defenses right... then you have to elite level, the Antwun Echols', Morrade Hakkar's, Robert Allen's (trilogy), Carl Daniels' of the world.

I don't dispute that Hopkins has had the best middleweight reign since Hagler, but it does get a little bit overrated considering his best wins are Trinidad and DLH, two overblown welterweights (DLH could in a sense be considered an overblown 130 pounder lol). The also lost to the best opponents he faced at the weight: Roy Jones (near shutout), J. Taylor x 2.

Sergio Martinez's reign is a bit underrated, he's been the champ since 2010 and has had 6 defences (4KOs) and some decent fights at the weight, Pavlik, Williams x 2, Chavez Jr, Macklin, Murray, Barker (looks better now).

You post all this **** but do you disagree? Hopkins was far more dominant, for longer and had better wins than Martinez. Actually that's a fact not an opinion.

As for the IBF there were of course boxing politics that prevented Hopkins from unifying sooner, that's not his fault. He eventually beat every title holder and unified every single belt in the division.

As for Taylor, somehow you hold that against him? Hopkins probably should have got the win both times and let's not ignore the man was 40 years old.

A lot of those guys you mentioned, Echols, Allen, Glen Johnson, etc. were better fighters than Macklin, Barker, Murray & Williams. I'd take a prime Echols to beat Barker and undefeated Glen Johnson over Barker/Macklin/Murray for example. Tough guys that could fight, not domestic euro guys that only beat other domestic euro guys.

[Boxing Goat]

He says his dream is to become number 1 P4P.
Well I feel he is easily 2-3...now some people might might Marquez, Pacquiao and etc in that grouping.

But to me it's clear he's on his way. Dude is the LINEAL, Undisputed MW champ of the world, the most dominant MW champ since Roy Jones Jr.
Has not taking any EASY fights, "maybe not the most popular"
And he is more active than some of the YOUNGER guys...IE Gamboa, Russell and Andre Ward all while being much older.

So is response to the other thread regarding "If May losses who is P4P number 1" it's clear It's Marvilla Martinez.

To me, Ward would be next in line no doubt about it. Taking nothing away from Martinez, he's just done better with better opposition.

Then comes Wladimir and JMM imo. #5 would be Sergio based on his last few fights.

[Boxing Goat]

Of course, why would he want to fight himself?

Lol, he meant #2 GGG, the heir apparent.

[Humean]

He's probably not the best in his division never mind pound for pound.

[BafanaBafana]

You post all this **** but do you disagree? Hopkins was far more dominant, for longer and had better wins than Martinez. Actually that's a fact not an opinion.

When did I say Sergio's reign was better than Hopkins? Please remind me.
If anything I said Sergio's reign is underrated because it constantly get's compared and held to the standard of ATG middleweights' reigns (like Monzon's, Hagler's, and Hopkins' reign) and is not valued by it's own weight.

As for the IBF there were of course boxing politics that prevented Hopkins from unifying sooner, that's not his fault. He eventually beat every title holder and unified every single belt in the division.

So I expose your BS that Hopkins dominated the middleweight reign for 10 years and this is your rebuttal? Apology accepted.

As for Taylor, somehow you hold that against him? Hopkins probably should have got the win both times and let's not ignore the man was 40 years old.

Both fights were close, Hopkins could have arguably won the first fight and Taylor probably the second. Either way you can't call a close fight a robbery (something very common among Hopkins fans) and Taylor officially won both fights.

[IronDanHamza]

lol, an argument anyone would lose. Why? Because he won a UD.

He won a hometown gift decision that he'd have likely have lost any where else on the Planet.