As of right now who ranks higher,Floyd or Manny

[Frank Ducketts]

Major World Titles:
WBC Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Lightweight Champion (135 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBC Light Middleweight Champion (154 lbs)
Minor World Titles:
IBO Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
The Ring/Lineal Championship Titles:
Lineal Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
The Ring Featherweight Champion (126 lbs)
The Ring Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
The Ring Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
Regional/International Titles:
OPBF Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
WBC International Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC International Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
Special Titles:
WBC Emeritus Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Diamond Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Super Champion (147 lbs)
Recognitions

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[171]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[172]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[173]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[174]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[171][175]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[176]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[177]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[178]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[179]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[180][181]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 Ask Men Most Influential Men (ranked 24th)[182]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[183]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[184]
2009 Forbes Magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th)[185]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[186]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[187]
2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)[188]
2010 Bleacher Report Most Exciting Athletes of All Time (ranked 85th)[189]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[190]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [191]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[192]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[76]
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[193]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[194]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[76]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
2000–2009
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2006
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2006
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2011
Major World Titles:
WBC Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Lightweight Champion (135 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBC Light Middleweight Champion (154 lbs)
Minor World Titles:
IBO Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
The Ring/Lineal Championship Titles:
Lineal Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
The Ring Featherweight Champion (126 lbs)
The Ring Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
The Ring Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
Regional/International Titles:
OPBF Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
WBC International Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC International Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
Special Titles:
WBC Emeritus Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Diamond Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Super Champion (147 lbs)
Recognitions

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[171]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[172]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[173]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[174]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[171][175]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[176]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[177]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[178]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[179]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[180][181]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 Ask Men Most Influential Men (ranked 24th)[182]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[183]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[184]
2009 Forbes Magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th)[185]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[186]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[187]
2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)[188]
2010 Bleacher Report Most Exciting Athletes of All Time (ranked 85th)[189]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[190]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [191]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[192]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[76]
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[193]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[194]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[76]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
2000–2009
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2006
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2006
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2011
Filmography

Films
Year Film Role Other Notes
2000 Di Ko Kayang Tanggapin Dong
2001 Mahal Kita... Kahit Sino Ka Pa!
2001 Basagan ng Mukha Dodong
2005 Lisensyadong Kamao Ambrosio "Bruce" Lerio
2008 Anak ng Kumander Kumander Idel Writer/Producer
2008 Brown Soup Thing Cousin Manny
2008 Pangarap Kong Jackpot Abel Segment "Sa Ngalan ng Busabos"
2009 Wapakman Magno Meneses/Wapakman
Television Shows
Year Television Shows Role Other Notes
1999 I Witness Himself Kamao episode
2004 Walang Bakas Himself (uncredited)
2004 No Fear: The Manny Pacquiao Story Himself Video documentary
2004 The People's Champion Himself Video documentary
2005 Kamao: Matira Ang Matibay Himself – Host
2005 Ok Fine Whatever Himself – Guest
2005 Pinoy Big Brother Himself – Guest
2006 Ako ang Simula Himself TV documentary
2006 Countdown to Pacquiao-Morales 3 Himself TV documentary
2007 Countdown to Pacquiao-Barrera 2 Himself TV documentary
2008 Countdown to Pacquiao-Marquez 2 Himself TV documentary
2008 24/7: De La Hoya/Pacquiao Himself TV documentary
2009 Kababayan LA: Manny Pacquiao Specials Himself
2009 Pinoy Records Himself – Host
2009 Totoy Bato Emmanuel
2009 Show Me Da Manny Manny Santos
2009 24/7: Pacquiao/Hatton Himself TV documentary
2009 Team Pacquiao: The GMA News & Public Affairs Sports Documentary Special Himself TV Documentary
2009 Rome is Burning Himself – Correspondent Episode dated May 1
2009 Jimmy Kimmel Live! Himself – Guest Multiple times
2009 24/7: Pacquiao/Cotto Himself TV documentary
2010 Road to Dallas: Pacquiao vs. Clottey Himself TV documentary
2010 24/7: Pacquiao/Margarito Himself TV documentary
2010 60 Minutes Himself – Guest [195]
2011 Manny Many Prizes Himself – Host
2011 Fight Camp 360°: Pacquiao vs. Mosley Himself TV documentary
2011 Pacquiao-Marquez III World Press Tour (Manila Leg) Himself
2011 24/7: Pacquiao/Marquez Himself TV documentary
2012 24/7: Pacquiao/Bradley Himself TV documentary
2012 24/7: Pacquiao/Marquez 4 Himself TV documentary
2012 Pacman Forever: A Hero's Homecoming Himself
2013 Para Sa 'Yo Ang Laban Na Ito Himself – Host
Video Games
Year Video Game Role Other Notes
2005 Fight Night Round 2 Himself Playable fighter
2006 Fight Night Round 3 Himself Playable fighter
2009 Fight Night Round 4 Himself Playable fighter
2011 Fight Night Champion Himself Playable fighter
2011 Pound for Pound Himself Playable fighter

You forgot the names of the guys who ko'd Pac.
Torrecampo who ko'd him BEFORE he won a tite, Singsurat who ko'd Pac AFTER he won the title, and Marquez who fed Pac a counter right, and Pac got the itis and fell asleep.

[al-Xander]

Apples and bananas.

How can you compare these two when one fought 14 fights since 2006 and the other 9 fights? He retired when his division was brewing with excitement.

[prinzemanspopa]

I think a guy like raheem would beat morales anytime, even a prime morales, styles make matchups and raheem was a very slick and underrated fighter, he would always give morales trouble,,

I agree. People, even to this day, still can't seem to grasp the whole 'styles make fights' thing. The fact that people still want to put that performance down to Morales being washed up - in spite of his performance in the second Pacquiao fight - is just silly. Raheem was the absolute worst sort of style for someone like Morales, and he clearly wasn't in the best shape for it, either.



Bad preparation + bad style matchup = a very bad result.

[J The UnBiased]

Major World Titles:
WBC Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Lightweight Champion (135 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBC Light Middleweight Champion (154 lbs)
Minor World Titles:
IBO Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
The Ring/Lineal Championship Titles:
Lineal Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
The Ring Featherweight Champion (126 lbs)
The Ring Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
The Ring Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
Regional/International Titles:
OPBF Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
WBC International Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC International Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
Special Titles:
WBC Emeritus Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Diamond Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Super Champion (147 lbs)
Recognitions

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[171]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[172]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[173]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[174]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[171][175]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[176]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[177]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[178]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[179]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[180][181]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 Ask Men Most Influential Men (ranked 24th)[182]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[183]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[184]
2009 Forbes Magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th)[185]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[186]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[187]
2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)[188]
2010 Bleacher Report Most Exciting Athletes of All Time (ranked 85th)[189]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[190]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [191]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[192]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[76]
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[193]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[194]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[76]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
2000–2009
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2006
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2006
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2011
Major World Titles:
WBC Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Lightweight Champion (135 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBC Light Middleweight Champion (154 lbs)
Minor World Titles:
IBO Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
The Ring/Lineal Championship Titles:
Lineal Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
The Ring Featherweight Champion (126 lbs)
The Ring Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
The Ring Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
Regional/International Titles:
OPBF Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
WBC International Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC International Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
Special Titles:
WBC Emeritus Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Diamond Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Super Champion (147 lbs)
Recognitions

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[171]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[172]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[173]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[174]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[171][175]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[176]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[177]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[178]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[179]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[180][181]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 Ask Men Most Influential Men (ranked 24th)[182]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[183]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[184]
2009 Forbes Magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th)[185]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[186]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[187]
2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)[188]
2010 Bleacher Report Most Exciting Athletes of All Time (ranked 85th)[189]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[190]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [191]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[192]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[76]
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[193]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[194]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[76]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
2000–2009
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2006
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2006
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2011
Filmography

Films
Year Film Role Other Notes
2000 Di Ko Kayang Tanggapin Dong
2001 Mahal Kita... Kahit Sino Ka Pa!
2001 Basagan ng Mukha Dodong
2005 Lisensyadong Kamao Ambrosio "Bruce" Lerio
2008 Anak ng Kumander Kumander Idel Writer/Producer
2008 Brown Soup Thing Cousin Manny
2008 Pangarap Kong Jackpot Abel Segment "Sa Ngalan ng Busabos"
2009 Wapakman Magno Meneses/Wapakman
Television Shows
Year Television Shows Role Other Notes
1999 I Witness Himself Kamao episode
2004 Walang Bakas Himself (uncredited)
2004 No Fear: The Manny Pacquiao Story Himself Video documentary
2004 The People's Champion Himself Video documentary
2005 Kamao: Matira Ang Matibay Himself – Host
2005 Ok Fine Whatever Himself – Guest
2005 Pinoy Big Brother Himself – Guest
2006 Ako ang Simula Himself TV documentary
2006 Countdown to Pacquiao-Morales 3 Himself TV documentary
2007 Countdown to Pacquiao-Barrera 2 Himself TV documentary
2008 Countdown to Pacquiao-Marquez 2 Himself TV documentary
2008 24/7: De La Hoya/Pacquiao Himself TV documentary
2009 Kababayan LA: Manny Pacquiao Specials Himself
2009 Pinoy Records Himself – Host
2009 Totoy Bato Emmanuel
2009 Show Me Da Manny Manny Santos
2009 24/7: Pacquiao/Hatton Himself TV documentary
2009 Team Pacquiao: The GMA News & Public Affairs Sports Documentary Special Himself TV Documentary
2009 Rome is Burning Himself – Correspondent Episode dated May 1
2009 Jimmy Kimmel Live! Himself – Guest Multiple times
2009 24/7: Pacquiao/Cotto Himself TV documentary
2010 Road to Dallas: Pacquiao vs. Clottey Himself TV documentary
2010 24/7: Pacquiao/Margarito Himself TV documentary
2010 60 Minutes Himself – Guest [195]
2011 Manny Many Prizes Himself – Host
2011 Fight Camp 360°: Pacquiao vs. Mosley Himself TV documentary
2011 Pacquiao-Marquez III World Press Tour (Manila Leg) Himself
2011 24/7: Pacquiao/Marquez Himself TV documentary
2012 24/7: Pacquiao/Bradley Himself TV documentary
2012 24/7: Pacquiao/Marquez 4 Himself TV documentary
2012 Pacman Forever: A Hero's Homecoming Himself
2013 Para Sa 'Yo Ang Laban Na Ito Himself – Host
Video Games
Year Video Game Role Other Notes
2005 Fight Night Round 2 Himself Playable fighter
2006 Fight Night Round 3 Himself Playable fighter
2009 Fight Night Round 4 Himself Playable fighter
2011 Fight Night Champion Himself Playable fighter
2011 Pound for Pound Himself Playable fighter

[The Big Dunn]

1. Morales had never been beaten down and stopped like cotto had been,,,
Morales was coming off being 130 champ in 2004 losing a FOTY to another great in MAB, beat manny in a war in 2005, also got schooled by a style nightmare Raheem, so it wasnt like morales was getting beaten up like cotto had been vs margs and manny,, cotto was struggling with one-leg yuri, shot mayorga, one-eye margs,,, Morales had alot more in the tank at the time than cotto did,,,

2. Manny should have gotten the win in the first fight vs jmm and lost the 3rd, i think manny won the 2nd because of the kd, i had it 114-113, so i think manny should be 2-2 vs jmm

3. Margs is way better than ghost,,,,, welter margs vs ghost who you think would win,,, margs would make that dude look like cintron,,,
Yes margs was 1-1 above 147 but the loss was a cut stoppage in a fight vs santos that margs was starting to come on late,,, it wasnt a clear loss like his other losses,,,,, and manny is a much smaller guy than margs,,,,

4. I was just responding to the guy that made totally biased strawman argument about wins being greater when he left off alot of manny's and matched them up horrible,,, I like a good debate, but cant stand when its just total bias BS

1. not saying he was but his performance indicated he was done. The point made about the 12th rd with manny before is valid.

2. i can go with that.

3. Margs may be better than GHost all time but Margs above 147 may not be bettr than ghost at 147, especially given how each fought. Margs was down big vs santos. he may have come back.

4. ok

Again, Manny has excellent wins. I would argue he gets more for ledbawa because he was a handpicked sub and surprised. But when we talk about his fights with JMM, MAB, and EM you can't just say 6-2-1.

He did beat MAB 2x and he deserves all respect and credit. But the EM situation is different.There is just no way beating morales after he lost to raheem means as much.

In the case of JMM, he was favored 4 times and won 2x. You can't just credit the wins and not take points away for the draw and loss.

WIns and losses have to matter.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I agree. People, even to this day, still can't seem to grasp the whole 'styles make fights' thing. The fact that people still want to put that performance down to Morales being washed up - in spite of his performance in the second Pacquiao fight - is just silly.

Thanks man,, Im glad someone understands that styles make fights,,,

thats why triangle theories never pan out,,, like taylor beats hopkins, pavlik stops taylor, hopkins beats the hell out of pavlik,,

or jones beats hopkins, tarver beats jones, hopkins beats tarver,,,

Its all about the styles

That is why floyd looked so dominant vs jmm, while manny has trouble with jmm,,,,
Floyd had trouble with JLC, yet if JLC fought manny, manny may light him up like a christmas tree...

Its all about styles

[Jay Volcano]

It was always Floyd.

[PAC-BOY]

You forgot the names of the guys who ko'd Pac.
Torrecampo who ko'd him BEFORE he won a tite, Singsurat who ko'd Pac AFTER he won the title, and Marquez who fed Pac a counter right, and Pac got the itis and fell asleep.

He vindicated every loss. He gave JMM 4 trys How many chances did Floyd give Oscar? Oh none he retired lmfao):WORD:. But at the end of the day. He fights better opposition than Floyd. Fights more fights than Floyd. As of now has earned more in PPV revenue than Floyd. Has more endorsements than Floyd. Congressman. More exciting to watch than Floyd (wanna compare fighter of the years awards?) Awarded fighter of the decade. Decade. lol No matter how you slice it. All roads lead to Manny Pacquiao. Even after his KO loss...the buzz of them two fighting STILL has interest.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree. People, even to this day, still can't seem to grasp the whole 'styles make fights' thing. The fact that people still want to put that performance down to Morales being washed up - in spite of his performance in the second Pacquiao fight - is just silly. Raheem was the absolute worst sort of style for someone like Morales, and he clearly wasn't in the best shape for it, either.



Bad preparation + bad style matchup = a very bad result.

bad preparation + loss to inferior hand picked tune up opponent=Morales was not as good as he once was.

Respectfully, You can't use the style matchup arguement because Morales picked Raheem to fight. He wasn't a mandatory or anything. Morales knew Raheem's style going in. He thought he could win. Maybe he got old overnight. Maybe that 12th rd did mess him up.

either way he got waxed and it was clear he wasn't the same guy.

[PAC-BOY]

I agree J, i think its funny too. How can people think Floyd ranks higher than Manny.