As of right now who ranks higher,Floyd or Manny

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

The are both tied for #1 most overhyped, overplayed divas with the worst fans in the history of everything.

[Jam Jars]

True but i dont think it was the raheem fight that ruined him,,,

Yes he lost, but it wasnt a beatdown,,

I think manny beat him up in a war in the 2nd fight, and that took alot out of morales, then the 3rd fight manny crushed him,,,
Then the diaz fight i think morales showed his age and looked good in spots but just didnt have the energy to fight 12 hard rounds,,,,

I actually think that what ruined morales is the 12th round of the first manny fight, when he was up on the scorecards and decided to turn southpaw and trade with manny. Manny almost put him out and morales was severely rocked in that final round,, yes it was super exciting but I think that took alot out of morales and he was never the same after that round,,,,

I think a guy like raheem would beat morales anytime, even a prime morales, styles make matchups and raheem was a very slick and underrated fighter, he would always give morales trouble,,

The same thing could apply to floyd and zab,,,, zab had lost a tune-up vs baldomir, but still fought mayweather tough, and its considered a good win for floyd,, and zab doesnt have a good record after that fight with losses to baldomir, floyd, clottey, cotto, khan, garcia,


I just think people are quick to discount the morales win for manny when in hindsight, but at the time it was a great win for manny, especially stopping morales who was thought of as the toughest dude around at the time,,,

Weight defeated Morales not Pacquiao.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

i respect you but Morales was a completely different fighter and far less than before the fight. He got waxed by raheem. if raheem could hit harder erik might have been ko'd in rd 10. then he had to cut the weight and go back down to SFW for the Manny rematche(s).

I dont think morales was so much different than the one that beat manny less than a year before,,, If raheem had power he would be a scary fighter and would probably be a HOFer,, I honestly think that dude is criminally underrated and got robbed vs juarez, freitas fight could have gone either way and he schooled morales.. I think raheem is probably the most underrated guy of the last decade..

He may not be a promoter like floyd, we agree. But I doubt he is a helpless peasant being controlled and manipulated by the evil Bob. WHenever Manny does something positive-its because he is a congresssman andgreat human being. whenever its refusing to fight or the other BS he is suddenly a pawn being controlled by the devil.

SUre is convienent.

There is def a double standard when it comes to floyd and manny,,, I just think manny is not the one saying bradley or jmm needs to sign with TR, that is totally arum, refusing the drug tests kinda lands on mannys lap though IMO

I just cant see it being a great win. If Morales had lost to JMM or another top level fighter instead of Raheem you'd have a point. But this was essentially a hand picked tuneup that went south early. Morales lost 8-9 rounds. **** even the house judge had him losing 115-113.

A lot of poster on NSB say Its not just who you fight/beat its when you fight/beat them. That has to be applied to everyone equally.

Like i said before, raheem is criminally underrated and dodged,, he should have 2 wins over juarez and morales, and could have gotten the nod vs frietas,, The kid was a very skilled figher but couldnt land name fighers because of his troubling style much like how miguel vasquez cant land any names even though he is considered the #1 lightweight champ

Weight defeated Morales not Pacquiao.

That may be true, but anyway you slice it, manny was the first to stop the mighty El Terrible

[HeroBando]

1. mayweather
2. marquez
3. pacquiao

Remind me, what's JMM's 2nd best scalp? Where would it rate on Pac's resume?

[megadeth]

There is def a double standard when it comes to floyd and manny,,, I just think manny is not the one saying bradley or jmm needs to sign with TR, that is totally arum, refusing the drug tests kinda lands on mannys lap though IMO

Whether it was him saying it or not, he certainly knew about it and did nothing to stop it. Bob works for him,(supposedly), not the other way around.

That may be true, but anyway you slice it, manny was the first to stop the mighty El Terrible

Your absolutely right, he was the first to stop him, but it looks much less impressive with the added context. To me, this was Pac/Roach/Arum minipulation at it's finest(or worst). They already knew Morales had lost his last fight and was having alot of trouble making weight. Morales requested the fight at a higher weight.....Nope, DECLINED! Not even a catchweight, that Pac would come to love in the future. So not only was Morales not looking to be the same fighter, he would also be a severly drained fighter as well. Once would have been bad enough, but he fought him 2x this way and added in the hefty weight penalties to make sure Morales came in good and drained. then people have the nerve to mention Morales as one of his great wins??? Give me a f****** break!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Whether it was him saying it or not, he certainly knew about it and did nothing to stop it. Bob works for him,(supposedly), not the other way around.


Manny is a TR puppet, Arum calls the shots, remember he got manny to resign for a paltry 1 mil signing bonus, floyd or anyother top ppv guy would command alot more

Your absolutely right, he was the first to stop him, but it looks much less impressive with the added context. To me, this was Pac/Roach/Arum minipulation at it's finest(or worst). They already knew Morales had lost his last fight and was having alot of trouble making weight. Morales requested the fight at a higher weight.....Nope, DECLINED! Not even a catchweight, that Pac would come to love in the future. So not only was Morales not looking to be the same fighter, he would also be a severly drained fighter as well. Once would have been bad enough, but he fought him 2x this way and added in the hefty weight penalties to make sure Morales came in good and drained. then people have the nerve to mention Morales as one of his great wins??? Give me a f****** break!

Yes your right about the weight, especially in the 3rd fight,, I think the 2nd fight morales looked good but manny was just better and was boxing more than brawling,, brawling morales cost him the 1st fight vs eric, i think manny made adjustments and boxed more, and stopped morales,
I think its a good win, not a great win
The 3rd fight was a washed up morales and i dont consider that to be a great or good win, just a win,,,,,

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No you tell me since you made the comment without stating who the atg's where that the catch weight king beat?

Manny fought and beat Prime MAB, prime JMM, slightly past prime morales, and hatton, all at the weights where they were comfortable at and reigning champions at,,,,,,

money undefeated got straps in 6 divisions, 5 time lineal champ, fighting young undefeated champs, and he got guap for days. He toyd with the man that knocked out Pacquiao.

His best wins **** all over Pac's

Castillo >Marquez
Corrales > Morales
Hernandez> Barrera
Cotto healthy > CW Cotto
Hatton> Clottey
Guerrero> Margacheato
Ortiz > Diaz

This is about the worst post on this thread,, Totally biased with no logic or reasoning, just a strawman argument..

To use diaz as a best win vs manny and not hatton, how about the lebedowa fight,
Margs is way better than ghost,
A prime MAB and JMM are better than anything on floyds resume,,,

You say healthy cotto, lol,, you mean shot cotto that had already been thru a dozen wars and gotten beaten down and stopped by margs and manny

Floyd does have great wins but so does manny, and manny has more of them,, remember he fought MAB, JMM, EM multiple times, actually 9 times and went 6-2-1, and the draw was BS,, manny should have won that fight

[The Big Dunn]

Manny fought and beat Prime MAB, prime JMM, slightly past prime morales, and hatton, all at the weights where they were comfortable at and reigning champions at,,,,,,


[/B]

This is about the worst post on this thread,, Totally biased with no logic or reasoning, just a strawman argument..

To use diaz as a best win vs manny and not hatton, how about the lebedowa fight,
Margs is way better than ghost,
A prime MAB and JMM are better than anything on floyds resume,,,

You say healthy cotto, lol,, you mean shot cotto that had already been thru a dozen wars and gotten beaten down and stopped by margs and manny

Floyd does have great wins but so does manny, and manny has more of them,, remember he fought MAB, JMM, EM multiple times, actually 9 times and went 6-2-1, and the draw was BS,, manny should have won that fight

the 2 morales wins are not great. He was favored to beat JMM in all 4 fights and had a draw, a ko loss, and one win was voted robbery of the year.

Margs above 147 was 1-1 when manny fought him. Ghost was 2-0 at ww when floyd fought him. Hatton was KO'd by floyd and was moving back down in weight.

Again,does when they fought and at what weight factor or any other info go into this assessment or is it just name value?

Its probably impossible to make this totally subjective-but toyou say cotto is shot based on the manny/margs fights yet say Morales was a good win is hard.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

the 2 morales wins are not great. He was favored to beat JMM in all 4 fights and had a draw, a ko loss, and one win was voted robbery of the year.

Margs above 147 was 1-1 when manny fought him. Ghost was 2-0 at ww when floyd fought him. Hatton was KO'd by floyd and was moving back down in weight.

Again,does when they fought and at what weight factor or any other info go into this assessment or is it just name value?

Its probably impossible to make this totally subjective-but toyou say cotto is shot based on the manny/margs fights yet say Morales was a good win is hard.

1. Morales had never been beaten down and stopped like cotto had been,,,
Morales was coming off being 130 champ in 2004 losing a FOTY to another great in MAB, beat manny in a war in 2005, also got schooled by a style nightmare Raheem, so it wasnt like morales was getting beaten up like cotto had been vs margs and manny,, cotto was struggling with one-leg yuri, shot mayorga, one-eye margs,,, Morales had alot more in the tank at the time than cotto did,,,

2. Manny should have gotten the win in the first fight vs jmm and lost the 3rd, i think manny won the 2nd because of the kd, i had it 114-113, so i think manny should be 2-2 vs jmm

3. Margs is way better than ghost,,,,, welter margs vs ghost who you think would win,,, margs would make that dude look like cintron,,,
Yes margs was 1-1 above 147 but the loss was a cut stoppage in a fight vs santos that margs was starting to come on late,,, it wasnt a clear loss like his other losses,,,,, and manny is a much smaller guy than margs,,,,

4. I was just responding to the guy that made totally biased strawman argument about wins being greater when he left off alot of manny's and matched them up horrible,,, I like a good debate, but cant stand when its just total bias BS

[PAC-BOY]

Major World Titles:
WBC Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Lightweight Champion (135 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBC Light Middleweight Champion (154 lbs)
Minor World Titles:
IBO Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
The Ring/Lineal Championship Titles:
Lineal Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
The Ring Featherweight Champion (126 lbs)
The Ring Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
The Ring Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
Regional/International Titles:
OPBF Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
WBC International Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC International Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
Special Titles:
WBC Emeritus Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Diamond Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Super Champion (147 lbs)
Recognitions

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[171]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[172]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[173]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[174]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[171][175]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[176]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[177]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[178]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[179]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[180][181]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 Ask Men Most Influential Men (ranked 24th)[182]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[183]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[184]
2009 Forbes Magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th)[185]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[186]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[187]
2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)[188]
2010 Bleacher Report Most Exciting Athletes of All Time (ranked 85th)[189]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[190]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [191]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[192]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[76]
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[193]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[194]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[76]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
2000–2009
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2006
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2006
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2011
Major World Titles:
WBC Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
IBF Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Lightweight Champion (135 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBC Light Middleweight Champion (154 lbs)
Minor World Titles:
IBO Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
The Ring/Lineal Championship Titles:
Lineal Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
The Ring Featherweight Champion (126 lbs)
The Ring Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
The Ring Light Welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
Regional/International Titles:
OPBF Flyweight Champion (112 lbs)
WBC International Super Bantamweight Champion (122 lbs)
WBC International Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
Special Titles:
WBC Emeritus Super Featherweight Champion (130 lbs)
WBC Diamond Welterweight Champion (147 lbs)
WBO Welterweight Super Champion (147 lbs)
Recognitions

International:
2000–2009 Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Decade[171]
2000–2009 HBO Fighter of the Decade[172]
2001–2010 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade[173]
2001–2010 World Boxing Organization Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter of the Decade[174]
2006, 2008 and 2009 Boxing Writers Association of America's Fighter of the Year[171][175]
2006, 2008 and 2009 ESPN Fighter of the Year[176]
2006, 2008 and 2009 The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008 Sports Illustrated Boxer of the Year[177]
2008 Yahoo! Sports Fighter of the Year[178]
2008 and 2009 ESPN Star's Champion of Champions[179]
2008 and 2009 World Boxing Council Boxer of the Year[180][181]
2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 The Ring No.1 Pound-for-Pound (year-end)
2009 Ask Men Most Influential Men (ranked 24th)[182]
2009 ESPN Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)[183]
2009 and 2011 ESPY Awards Best Fighter[184]
2009 Forbes Magazine World's Highest-Paid Athletes (ranked 6th)[185]
2009 Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year[186]
2009 The Ring Knockout of the Year (in Round 2 against Ricky Hatton)
2009 TIME 100 Most Influential People (Heroes and Icons Category)[187]
2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)[188]
2010 Bleacher Report Most Exciting Athletes of All Time (ranked 85th)[189]
2010 World Boxing Organization Fighter of the Year[190]
2010 Yahoo! Sports Boxing's Most Influential (ranked 25th) [191]
National:
2000–09 Philippine Sportswriters Association Athlete of the Decade[192]
2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2008 PSA Sportsman of the Year
2003 Presidential Medal of Merit
2003 and 2010 Congressional Medal of Achievement / Distinction / Honor
2006 Order of Lakandula with the rank of "Champion for Life" (Kampeon Habambuhay)[76]
2008 Philippine Legion of Honor with the rank of "Officer" (Pinuno)[193]
2008 University Athletic Association of the Philippines (UAAP) Honorary Award for Sports Excellence[194]
2009 Order of Sikatuna with the rank of Datu (Grand Cross with Gold Distinction)[76]
2011 Gabriel "Flash" Elorde Memorial "Quintessential Athlete" Award
BWAA Fighter of the Decade
2000–2009
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2006
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2006
The Ring Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
BWAA Fighter of the Year
2008, 2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2009
Best Fighter ESPY Award
2011
Filmography

Films
Year Film Role Other Notes
2000 Di Ko Kayang Tanggapin Dong
2001 Mahal Kita... Kahit Sino Ka Pa!
2001 Basagan ng Mukha Dodong
2005 Lisensyadong Kamao Ambrosio "Bruce" Lerio
2008 Anak ng Kumander Kumander Idel Writer/Producer
2008 Brown Soup Thing Cousin Manny
2008 Pangarap Kong Jackpot Abel Segment "Sa Ngalan ng Busabos"
2009 Wapakman Magno Meneses/Wapakman
Television Shows
Year Television Shows Role Other Notes
1999 I Witness Himself Kamao episode
2004 Walang Bakas Himself (uncredited)
2004 No Fear: The Manny Pacquiao Story Himself Video documentary
2004 The People's Champion Himself Video documentary
2005 Kamao: Matira Ang Matibay Himself – Host
2005 Ok Fine Whatever Himself – Guest
2005 Pinoy Big Brother Himself – Guest
2006 Ako ang Simula Himself TV documentary
2006 Countdown to Pacquiao-Morales 3 Himself TV documentary
2007 Countdown to Pacquiao-Barrera 2 Himself TV documentary
2008 Countdown to Pacquiao-Marquez 2 Himself TV documentary
2008 24/7: De La Hoya/Pacquiao Himself TV documentary
2009 Kababayan LA: Manny Pacquiao Specials Himself
2009 Pinoy Records Himself – Host
2009 Totoy Bato Emmanuel
2009 Show Me Da Manny Manny Santos
2009 24/7: Pacquiao/Hatton Himself TV documentary
2009 Team Pacquiao: The GMA News & Public Affairs Sports Documentary Special Himself TV Documentary
2009 Rome is Burning Himself – Correspondent Episode dated May 1
2009 Jimmy Kimmel Live! Himself – Guest Multiple times
2009 24/7: Pacquiao/Cotto Himself TV documentary
2010 Road to Dallas: Pacquiao vs. Clottey Himself TV documentary
2010 24/7: Pacquiao/Margarito Himself TV documentary
2010 60 Minutes Himself – Guest [195]
2011 Manny Many Prizes Himself – Host
2011 Fight Camp 360°: Pacquiao vs. Mosley Himself TV documentary
2011 Pacquiao-Marquez III World Press Tour (Manila Leg) Himself
2011 24/7: Pacquiao/Marquez Himself TV documentary
2012 24/7: Pacquiao/Bradley Himself TV documentary
2012 24/7: Pacquiao/Marquez 4 Himself TV documentary
2012 Pacman Forever: A Hero's Homecoming Himself
2013 Para Sa 'Yo Ang Laban Na Ito Himself – Host
Video Games
Year Video Game Role Other Notes
2005 Fight Night Round 2 Himself Playable fighter
2006 Fight Night Round 3 Himself Playable fighter
2009 Fight Night Round 4 Himself Playable fighter
2011 Fight Night Champion Himself Playable fighter
2011 Pound for Pound Himself Playable fighter