De La Hoya can never be called an ATG

[InSaiyan]

Difficult list to make so credit is due,

But why Frazier at 92, Foreman at 100 and then Holyfield at at 55?.
When Marciano is at 65 and Holmes (who has a better resume) at 76
?

Ezzard Charles at 5 , above Louis and Ali is also questionable, and I only mentioned HW (light heavy weight for Charles, but he never won a title there).

What is sure is that having an accurate list of the top 100 atg is a titanic enterprise.

It's not a list rating only the heavyweights that's why Charles is higher, and Holyfield as well. It's not up for debate at all

[NVSemin]

His resume of opponents is arguably one of the greatest in history with greats such as Manny, Floyd, Hop, Shane, Tito, JCC on there but his list of wins is far less impressive with only a very old JCC being the only major name he's beaten besides the tier B guys like Vargas, Sturm, etc. based on wins alone he's certainly a very good fighter but never an ATG because an ATG wouldn't lose to every prime/near great he's ever fought.

I would put it much simpler: there is nothing special about DLH, he was successful, but not special. Performance-wise he gave too low value to be called ATG.

[InSaiyan]

Oscar is an ATG,,, he probably had the hardest big fight schedule of ALL TIME,,,,
he fought undefeated ike, undefeated tito, undefeated shane, all in the span of about 15 months,,,,,
His wins over genaro, ruelas, leija,chavez twice, pernell, ike, vargas, sturm, gatti, yory boy, mayorga,,,,,
His losses were to prime undefeated shane, and too highly debatable losses to prime undefeated tito and shane rematch,, plus losses to hopkins, manny, floyd.. all 3 of those guys were p4p #1 when oscar fought them,,,,,,,

Yes he has had some bad decisions but they went both ways,, he should have lost to sturm, and pernell could have gone either way,,,,, but he should have won vs tito and mosely rematch,,,,, those woulld have been bigger wins and would have overshadowed the losses to sturm and pernell,,,

Oscar is def an ATG,,,, he is on the lower level of ATG but still an ATG,,, he could be a champ in any era

how do you classify the losses to mosley being that shane was juicing?

[LoadedWraps]

His resume of opponents is arguably one of the greatest in history with greats such as Manny, Floyd, Hop, Shane, Tito, JCC on there but his list of wins is far less impressive with only a very old JCC being the only major name he's beaten besides the tier B guys like Vargas, Sturm, etc. based on wins alone he's certainly a very good fighter but never an ATG because an ATG wouldn't lose to every prime/near great he's ever fought.

What an awful bait thread. DLH is absolutely an ATG. I can't stand it when people try and drag his name through the mud of NSB, haters can't even leave a fighter alone after he retires. What a load of crap this post is.

He's not an ATG, technically, but because of his star power and recognition, that pushes him to ATG status with most people.

He's a legit HOFer, but not ATG status. You could argue his win over a prime Tito has him bordering legit ATG status. That's was the Manny/Floyd of that time.

I disagree 100%.

[LoadedWraps]

Tito beat DLH...another failed big fight for your ATG

Gotta love when a fan who thinks a fighter didn't deserve a win they got acts like it was a loss, as if their opinion changes the actual decision or something.

This is one of the best i've seen (from another site)

01 - Ray Robinson
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Henry Armstrong
04 - Sam Langford
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55 – Evander Holyfield
56 - Young Corbett III
57 - Mike Gibbons
58 – Ted Kid Lewis
59 - Freddie Welsh
60 - Freddie Steele
61 - Lou Ambers
62 - Salvador Sanchez
63 - Wilfredo Gomez
64 - Vicente Saldivar
65 - Rocky Marciano
66 - Abe Attell
67 - Manuel Ortiz
68 - Harold Johnson
69 - **** Tiger
70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
71 - Carmen Basilio
72 - Carlos Zarate
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Mike McCallum
75 - Azumah Nelson
76 - Larry Holmes
77 - Oscar De la Hoya
78 - Bob Foster
79 - Teddy Yarosz
80 - Jim Driscoll
81 - Panama Al Brown
82 - Pascual Perez
83 - Lloyd Marshall
84 – Jake LaMotta
85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Young Griffo
91 - Fritzie Zivic
92 - Joe Frazier
93 - Pete Herman
94 - Lennox Lewis
95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - James Toney
98 - Nicolino Locche
99 - Jung Koo Chang
100-George Foreman

Its a shame some of these guys are criminally underrated.

What a garbage list. Marciano so low is when I stopped reading and placed my palm on my face.

[MEXGBP]

winning ok versions of whitiker and chavez, you are a atg to me

[straightleft]

This is one of the best i've seen (from another site)

01 - Ray Robinson
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Henry Armstrong
04 - Sam Langford
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55 – Evander Holyfield
56 - Young Corbett III
57 - Mike Gibbons
58 – Ted Kid Lewis
59 - Freddie Welsh
60 - Freddie Steele
61 - Lou Ambers
62 - Salvador Sanchez
63 - Wilfredo Gomez
64 - Vicente Saldivar
65 - Rocky Marciano
66 - Abe Attell
67 - Manuel Ortiz
68 - Harold Johnson
69 - **** Tiger
70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
71 - Carmen Basilio
72 - Carlos Zarate
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Mike McCallum
75 - Azumah Nelson
76 - Larry Holmes
77 - Oscar De la Hoya
78 - Bob Foster
79 - Teddy Yarosz
80 - Jim Driscoll
81 - Panama Al Brown
82 - Pascual Perez
83 - Lloyd Marshall
84 – Jake LaMotta
85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Young Griffo
91 - Fritzie Zivic
92 - Joe Frazier
93 - Pete Herman
94 - Lennox Lewis
95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - James Toney
98 - Nicolino Locche
99 - Jung Koo Chang
100-George Foreman

Its a shame some of these guys are criminally underrated.

Garbage list. Floyd above Pac? This cherry picker cathcweight king self admitted rich coward who faked his retirement to duck a lot of fighters in their prime higher than Pac?

[soul_survivor]

Ofc he's an ATG, not in the same category as the top tier guys but I'd rank him in there, top 50? top 100? I dunno but he'd be there somewhere. He beat so many fighters that mattered and so many fighters who were legit champions, ATGs, HOFers or contenders in the 90s it's ridiculous. Most people who think DLH isn't ATG material are the boxing fans who started watching boxing post-99 and don't bother looking up older vids. His only loss in the entire decade was Tito and that's as controversial as Manny/Bradley.

By the time the new millennium started he was starting on the slope down but arguably should have gone 1-1 with Mosley, managed to beat a list of relevant names, go as high as 160, have a very good fight with Sturm (I've scored it a draw) and did ok against Hopkins till the KO. Heck he gave Floyd his toughest fight since Castilo, won a fair share of rounds and if he was maybe a couple years younger would have beaten Floyd, a man widely regarded as one of the best fighters of the millennium.

It's a terrific career bogged down by a few unnecessary losses, either robberies or late in his career.

[soul_survivor]

Garbage list. Floyd above Pac? This cherry picker cathcweight king self admitted rich coward who faked his retirement to duck a lot of fighters in their prime higher than Pac?

Not only that, some other great names are so low down, it's one of the worst lists ever.

[LoadedWraps]

Garbage list. Floyd above Pac? This cherry picker cathcweight king self admitted rich coward who faked his retirement to duck a lot of fighters in their prime higher than Pac?

100 fighters and that's what you have to say about it? That's your biggest complaint? So you are basically admitting you don't care for the sport of boxing, only Manny, that or you are blatantly trolling. Which is it? Because there are much, much worse things than the placement of those two on that list, in fact only a casual would only draw their eyes to those two names, but I don't want to believe you are a casual fan, I really don't want to, with as much time as you spend on here.