De La Hoya can never be called an ATG

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  • -MAKAVELLI-
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    #41
    Originally posted by InSaiyan
    So you don't consider guys like Felix Trinidad an ATG either?


    Tito beat DLH...another failed big fight for your ATG

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    • nysoxfan84
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      #42
      ATG status is an arbitrarily assigned designation. Keep arguing like you have a scientific method which proves who is deserving of that title.

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      • InSaiyan
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        #43
        Originally posted by -MAKAVELLI-
        Tito beat DLH...another failed big fight for your ATG
        and a lot argue delahoya beat him so i guess we don't count that do we.

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        • InSaiyan
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          #44
          Originally posted by nysoxfan84
          ATG status is an arbitrarily assigned designation. Keep arguing like you have a scientific method which proves who is deserving of that title.
          Any fighter who is top 100 deserves to be called an ATG

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          • sicko
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            #45
            It is crazy when talking about Oscar because I think his Career was Overrated while his BOXING SKILLS was UNDERRATED! It is a hard career to rank to be honest.

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            • InSaiyan
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              #46
              Originally posted by nysoxfan84
              ATG status is an arbitrarily assigned designation. Keep arguing like you have a scientific method which proves who is deserving of that title.
              This is one of the best i've seen (from another site)

              01 - Ray Robinson
              02 - Harry Greb
              03 - Henry Armstrong
              04 - Sam Langford
              05 - Ezzard Charles
              06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
              07 - Muhammad Ali
              08 - Joe Gans
              09 - Joe Louis
              10 - Roberto Duran.
              11 - Benny Leonard
              12 - Mickey Walker
              13 - Willie Pep
              14 - Barney Ross
              15 - Archie Moore
              16 - Ray Leonard
              17 - George Dixon
              18 - Terry McGovern
              19 - Packey McFarland
              20 - Pernell Whitaker
              21 - Tony Canzoneri
              22 - Jimmy McLarnin
              23 - Sandy Saddler
              24 - Stanley Ketchel
              25 - Charley Burley
              26 - Holman Williams
              27 - Billy Conn
              28 - Gene Tunney
              29 - Roy Jones
              30 - Joe Walcott
              31 - Carlos Monzon
              32 - Jimmy Wilde
              33 - Eder Jofre
              34 - Marvin Hagler
              35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
              36 - Tommy Gibbons
              37 - Kid Gavilan
              38 - Jack Britton
              39 - Emile Griffith
              40 - Jose Napoles
              41 - Alexis Arguello
              42 - Michael Spinks
              43 - Tommy Loughran
              44 - Thomas Hearns
              45 - Jimmy Bivins
              46 - Ike Williams
              47 - Floyd Mayweather
              48 - Manny Pacquiao
              49 - Tommy Ryan
              50 - Jack Dillon
              51 - Bernard Hopkins
              52 - Carlos Ortiz
              53 - Fighting Harada
              54 - Ruben Olivares
              55 – Evander Holyfield
              56 - Young Corbett III
              57 - Mike Gibbons
              58 – Ted Kid Lewis
              59 - Freddie Welsh
              60 - Freddie Steele
              61 - Lou Ambers
              62 - Salvador Sanchez
              63 - Wilfredo Gomez
              64 - Vicente Saldivar
              65 - Rocky Marciano
              66 - Abe Attell
              67 - Manuel Ortiz
              68 - Harold Johnson
              69 - **** Tiger
              70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
              71 - Carmen Basilio
              72 - Carlos Zarate
              73 - Miguel Canto
              74 - Mike McCallum
              75 - Azumah Nelson
              76 - Larry Holmes
              77 - Oscar De la Hoya
              78 - Bob Foster
              79 - Teddy Yarosz
              80 - Jim Driscoll
              81 - Panama Al Brown
              82 - Pascual Perez
              83 - Lloyd Marshall
              84 – Jake LaMotta
              85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
              86 – Wilfred Benitez
              87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
              88 – Erik Morales
              89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
              90 - Young Griffo
              91 - Fritzie Zivic
              92 - Joe Frazier
              93 - Pete Herman
              94 - Lennox Lewis
              95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
              96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
              97 - James Toney
              98 - Nicolino Locche
              99 - Jung Koo Chang
              100-George Foreman

              Its a shame some of these guys are criminally underrated.

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              • lparm
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                #47
                Originally posted by InSaiyan
                This is one of the best i've seen (from another site)

                01 - Ray Robinson
                02 - Harry Greb
                03 - Henry Armstrong
                04 - Sam Langford
                05 - Ezzard Charles
                06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
                07 - Muhammad Ali
                08 - Joe Gans
                09 - Joe Louis
                10 - Roberto Duran.
                11 - Benny Leonard
                12 - Mickey Walker
                13 - Willie Pep
                14 - Barney Ross
                15 - Archie Moore
                16 - Ray Leonard
                17 - George Dixon
                18 - Terry McGovern
                19 - Packey McFarland
                20 - Pernell Whitaker
                21 - Tony Canzoneri
                22 - Jimmy McLarnin
                23 - Sandy Saddler
                24 - Stanley Ketchel
                25 - Charley Burley
                26 - Holman Williams
                27 - Billy Conn
                28 - Gene Tunney
                29 - Roy Jones
                30 - Joe Walcott
                31 - Carlos Monzon
                32 - Jimmy Wilde
                33 - Eder Jofre
                34 - Marvin Hagler
                35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
                36 - Tommy Gibbons
                37 - Kid Gavilan
                38 - Jack Britton
                39 - Emile Griffith
                40 - Jose Napoles
                41 - Alexis Arguello
                42 - Michael Spinks
                43 - Tommy Loughran
                44 - Thomas Hearns
                45 - Jimmy Bivins
                46 - Ike Williams
                47 - Floyd Mayweather
                48 - Manny Pacquiao
                49 - Tommy Ryan
                50 - Jack Dillon
                51 - Bernard Hopkins
                52 - Carlos Ortiz
                53 - Fighting Harada
                54 - Ruben Olivares
                55 – Evander Holyfield
                56 - Young Corbett III
                57 - Mike Gibbons
                58 – Ted Kid Lewis
                59 - Freddie Welsh
                60 - Freddie Steele
                61 - Lou Ambers
                62 - Salvador Sanchez
                63 - Wilfredo Gomez
                64 - Vicente Saldivar
                65 - Rocky Marciano
                66 - Abe Attell
                67 - Manuel Ortiz
                68 - Harold Johnson
                69 - **** Tiger
                70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
                71 - Carmen Basilio
                72 - Carlos Zarate
                73 - Miguel Canto
                74 - Mike McCallum
                75 - Azumah Nelson
                76 - Larry Holmes
                77 - Oscar De la Hoya
                78 - Bob Foster
                79 - Teddy Yarosz
                80 - Jim Driscoll
                81 - Panama Al Brown
                82 - Pascual Perez
                83 - Lloyd Marshall
                84 – Jake LaMotta
                85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
                86 – Wilfred Benitez
                87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
                88 – Erik Morales
                89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
                90 - Young Griffo
                91 - Fritzie Zivic
                92 - Joe Frazier
                93 - Pete Herman
                94 - Lennox Lewis
                95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
                96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
                97 - James Toney
                98 - Nicolino Locche
                99 - Jung Koo Chang
                100-George Foreman

                Its a shame some of these guys are criminally underrated.
                Bob foster, foreman, Lewis, smokin Joe, JMM, MAB all ranked below dlh???

                Terrible rankings. You have one of the, if not the greatest lt hw champ, 3 ATG hw champs, and some Mexican legends that won huge fights all after the legendary nearly man Oscar.

                Yeah that list is total shite

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                • B-Bomber
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by InSaiyan
                  This is one of the best i've seen (from another site)

                  01 - Ray Robinson
                  02 - Harry Greb
                  03 - Henry Armstrong
                  04 - Sam Langford
                  05 - Ezzard Charles
                  06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
                  07 - Muhammad Ali
                  08 - Joe Gans
                  09 - Joe Louis
                  10 - Roberto Duran.
                  11 - Benny Leonard
                  12 - Mickey Walker
                  13 - Willie Pep
                  14 - Barney Ross
                  15 - Archie Moore
                  16 - Ray Leonard
                  17 - George Dixon
                  18 - Terry McGovern
                  19 - Packey McFarland
                  20 - Pernell Whitaker
                  21 - Tony Canzoneri
                  22 - Jimmy McLarnin
                  23 - Sandy Saddler
                  24 - Stanley Ketchel
                  25 - Charley Burley
                  26 - Holman Williams
                  27 - Billy Conn
                  28 - Gene Tunney
                  29 - Roy Jones
                  30 - Joe Walcott
                  31 - Carlos Monzon
                  32 - Jimmy Wilde
                  33 - Eder Jofre
                  34 - Marvin Hagler
                  35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
                  36 - Tommy Gibbons
                  37 - Kid Gavilan
                  38 - Jack Britton
                  39 - Emile Griffith
                  40 - Jose Napoles
                  41 - Alexis Arguello
                  42 - Michael Spinks
                  43 - Tommy Loughran
                  44 - Thomas Hearns
                  45 - Jimmy Bivins
                  46 - Ike Williams
                  47 - Floyd Mayweather
                  48 - Manny Pacquiao
                  49 - Tommy Ryan
                  50 - Jack Dillon
                  51 - Bernard Hopkins
                  52 - Carlos Ortiz
                  53 - Fighting Harada
                  54 - Ruben Olivares
                  55 – Evander Holyfield
                  56 - Young Corbett III
                  57 - Mike Gibbons
                  58 – Ted Kid Lewis
                  59 - Freddie Welsh
                  60 - Freddie Steele
                  61 - Lou Ambers
                  62 - Salvador Sanchez
                  63 - Wilfredo Gomez
                  64 - Vicente Saldivar
                  65 - Rocky Marciano
                  66 - Abe Attell
                  67 - Manuel Ortiz
                  68 - Harold Johnson
                  69 - **** Tiger
                  70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
                  71 - Carmen Basilio
                  72 - Carlos Zarate
                  73 - Miguel Canto
                  74 - Mike McCallum
                  75 - Azumah Nelson
                  76 - Larry Holmes
                  77 - Oscar De la Hoya
                  78 - Bob Foster
                  79 - Teddy Yarosz
                  80 - Jim Driscoll
                  81 - Panama Al Brown
                  82 - Pascual Perez
                  83 - Lloyd Marshall
                  84 – Jake LaMotta
                  85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
                  86 – Wilfred Benitez
                  87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
                  88 – Erik Morales
                  89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
                  90 - Young Griffo
                  91 - Fritzie Zivic
                  92 - Joe Frazier
                  93 - Pete Herman
                  94 - Lennox Lewis
                  95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
                  96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
                  97 - James Toney
                  98 - Nicolino Locche
                  99 - Jung Koo Chang
                  100-George Foreman

                  Its a shame some of these guys are criminally underrated.
                  Difficult list to make so credit is due,

                  But why Frazier at 92, Foreman at 100 and then Holyfield at at 55?.
                  When Marciano is at 65 and Holmes (who has a better resume) at 76
                  ?

                  Ezzard Charles at 5 , above Louis and Ali is also questionable, and I only mentioned HW (light heavy weight for Charles, but he never won a title there).

                  What is sure is that having an accurate list of the top 100 atg is a titanic enterprise.

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                  • Sugar Adam Ali
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                    #49
                    Oscar is an ATG,,, he probably had the hardest big fight schedule of ALL TIME,,,,
                    he fought undefeated ike, undefeated tito, undefeated shane, all in the span of about 15 months,,,,,
                    His wins over genaro, ruelas, leija,chavez twice, pernell, ike, vargas, sturm, gatti, yory boy, mayorga,,,,,
                    His losses were to prime undefeated shane, and too highly debatable losses to prime undefeated tito and shane rematch,, plus losses to hopkins, manny, floyd.. all 3 of those guys were p4p #1 when oscar fought them,,,,,,,

                    Yes he has had some bad decisions but they went both ways,, he should have lost to sturm, and pernell could have gone either way,,,,, but he should have won vs tito and mosely rematch,,,,, those woulld have been bigger wins and would have overshadowed the losses to sturm and pernell,,,

                    Oscar is def an ATG,,,, he is on the lower level of ATG but still an ATG,,, he could be a champ in any era

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                    • InSaiyan
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by lparm
                      Bob foster, foreman, Lewis, smokin Joe, JMM, MAB all ranked below dlh???

                      Terrible rankings. You have one of the, if not the greatest lt hw champ, 3 ATG hw champs, and some Mexican legends that won huge fights all after the legendary nearly man Oscar.

                      Yeah that list is total shite
                      its not my list. but bob foster and foreman aren't greater than delahoya IMO Foster beat Tiger...and quarry? he ruled a weak division

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