Wlad surpasses Holmes...

[Simurgh]

People like to think Wlads better because they dont know anybody Larry fought because they didnt watch him their mostly new fans. They think they because they the people Wlad fought they know they are automatically better.

Past prime Ali and Ken Norton alone > anything Wlad beat.


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No, just no...

That version of Ali (that Holmes fought) was just sad (almost like non-professional). Ken Norton, God no!

[BKM-2010]

I'm the troll for pointing out the first part of your post is incorrect?

Is it an insult to say someone appears to be uneducated on the matter? I didn't know that. And even if it was, it is certainly not the same as "moron", "Imbecile".

But it just shows the level of intelligence you possess.

The first part of my post was NOT incorrect, and you even agreed earlier. Ask any boxing fan, educated or non educated "who is the youngest heavyweight champion ever?". 9 out of 10 times the answer will be Tyson. Maybe 10 out of 10. This is just a fact and if you don't think so then you are either delusional, very new to the sport or you can't admit to it because again, it tears down your arguments.

So yes, it is insulting to say somebody is uneducated on something they are RIGHT about. Frankly I think you're backpeddling about your hypocrisy and I still think that you are an a$$hole who deserves no respect since you can't seem to give it first.

[LacedUp]

I respectfully think that you are going about this in a roundabout way. Tyson is considered the youngest champion by almost everybody, but he is not the youngest LINEAR champion as he wasn't linear champ before beating Spinks.

No I'm just saying that Tyson wasn't the youngest champion, but the youngest beltholder. He agrees with me on that one.

I'm just saying that in the history books, Floyd Patterson is still the youngest champion.

... And we know that Wlad was the best long before beating Chagaev.

did we though? Was he better than Vitali? Than Valuev? Than Ibragimov? Than Haye? We know now that he was, but we didn't know long before Chagaev.

My point is, that Holmes was recognized as the champ. Wlad wasn't recognized as the champ in 2008.

[The Big Dunn]

No, just no...

That version of Ali (that Holmes fought) was just sad (almost like non-professional). Ken Norton, God no!

Ken Norton is an HOF'er. What HWT HOF'er did wlad beat?

[Simurgh]

Ken Norton is an HOF'er. What HWT HOF'er did wlad beat?

Norton was included in HOF 8 years after he retired. I don't really rank him as high. He SD unmotivated past prime Ali that's about it. You will be surprised who will end up in HOF by the time they retire.

[eight...nine...]

WBO defenses didn't count for anything when Wlad started defending it.

[BKM-2010]

Ken Norton is an HOF'er. What HWT HOF'er did wlad beat?

Ken Norton was past his prime and at the time(and till this day) people thought Norton was actually robbed of the win. That was hardly such a great win for Holmes.

And yes, Ali was suffering from Parkinson and was way, way, way past his prime. on top of that he looked drugged up in that fight. Nobody in their right mind would give Holmes credit for that win.

[LacedUp]

The first part of my post was NOT incorrect, and you even agreed earlier. Ask any boxing fan, educated or non educated "who is the youngest heavyweight champion ever?". 9 out of 10 times the answer will be Tyson. Maybe 10 out of 10. This is just a fact and if you don't think so then you are either delusional, very new to the sport or you can't admit to it because again, it tears down your arguments.

So yes, it is insulting to say somebody is uneducated on something they are RIGHT about. Frankly I think you're backpeddling about your hypocrisy and I still think that you are an a$$hole who deserves no respect since you can't seem to give it first.

My only point was that not everyone considers Tyson as the youngest champion, nor should they.

What is my hypocrisy exactly?

[Someone88]

Wladimir is one of the greatest heavyweights ever.

[Someone88]

It is an impressive achievement and Wlad's accomplishments cannot be denied.

He is ATG if he retires tomorrow, but he will rule for another 3-4 years.

Good points made Wladimir can end up being a top 5 heavyweight.