Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[BattlingNelson]

Since my points keep getting ducked by the TS an encore is in place:

So I ask this question in post 6:

Define ATG.

A reasonable question that needs answering before you seriously can try to determine whether Vitali is an ATG or not.

Oddly enough the TS, who is a mod of boxingscene's historysection BTW, ignores the question and spends the next several days laughing and ridiculing the posters who voted Vitali was an ATG. Finally 170 posts later we get the definition that is paramount:

I think 20 should be the limit. Historically the top 10 are the elite. I think doubling that for history is fair.

In other words you have to be considered top 20 in your division all-time to be considered an ATG.

Now Jab and his henchmen has spent about 100+ posts ridiculing those saying Vitali was an ATG, so one would think that Jab, being a scholar of the sports history, has Vitali ranked far away from all-time greatness. I mean how else can you justify all that bullying and ridiculing?

Let's see the answer:

This is how the IBRO does it and than there is a list in no order of those "just missing the cut". I think Vits is one of those who just misses the cut. His resume sucks, but even so his dominance for such a long period is impressive. He's a tough guy, no one disputes this, but there is no justification for ranking him above guys who beat more accomplished fighters....especially when era's were deeper and with far less titles to cherry pick contenders from.

So Vitali JUST misses the cut! Ahahahahaha!

What a joke you are Jab. How can you justify this ridicule towards posters who just might happen to rank Vitali no. 20 all-time instead instead of JUST missing the cut as you do? We are talking about highly subjective all-time rankings where the difference might be as low as one single place! Talk about having an agenda!


Wauw!

[hitman smax]

Facts:

Klitschko is well into his 40s and continues to dominate opposition while defending a major world title.

Klitschko has never been knocked down.

Klitschko has never been behind in a fight.

Klitschko's only losses resulted from fluke injuries.

Klitschko has defeated several former champions

Many fighters have avoided Klitschko, including Lennox Lewis (rematch) and David Haye (scared)

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All that having been said, I'll concede that Klitschko is not an all time great if someone on here can name a single heavyweight champion who has more major world title defense after having turned 40?

Pretty simple, right.

[RadioBox]

Vitali is an ATG HEAVYWEIGHT.

Only top 10 Heavyweights are considered ATG'S overall.

There's ******s on here that actually say Lennox Lewis is not an ATG.. but an ATG Heavyweight. Forums for hard core fans LOVE the smaller boxers but hate any boxer over 154 pounds.

[Daddy T]

If Wilder was to get some paper title and dominate a load of bums and a couple of fringe contenders for his next 30 fights over the next 10 years or so while never fighting Wlad or even the likes of haye or the number one in the division (and if he does losing) he would go 58-0 with 58ko and effectively have a better atg rating than vitali ... at least according to the weird logic of vitali's fans ... is this true or is it false? And if false why????

It's Wlad that fights haye
it's Wlad that fights Povetkin
it's Wlad that will no doubt fight the likes of Wilder or whoever the next big contender proves to be.
it's Wlad that is the legit champ

Vitali's record consists of beating a load of bums and a few half decent contenders and putting up a good showing against lewis before being stopped. He has never been the undisputed champ and he has never beaten the recognized best in the division. With a one belt heavyweight division Vitali would be a Jerry Quarry - a good, tough contender but not to be mentioned along side the recognized true champs ... frazier foreman marciano etc. etc talk about him dominating nobodies all you want that doesn't make you an atg

[LacedUp]

Facts:

Klitschko is well into his 40s and continues to dominate opposition while defending a major world title.

Klitschko has never been knocked down.

Klitschko has never been behind in a fight.

Klitschko's only losses resulted from fluke injuries.

Klitschko has defeated several former champions

Many fighters have avoided Klitschko, including Lennox Lewis (rematch) and David Haye (scared)

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All that having been said, I'll concede that Klitschko is not an all time great if someone on here can name a single heavyweight champion who has more major world title defense after having turned 40?

Pretty simple, right.

Lol at this post. Getting your face smashed to bits by another man's punch is a fluke injury now?

Beating 'former' champions is impressive? Anyone can dig up Hasim Rahman and beat him one more time - would that be great? beating 'current' champions is impressive.

And OK i'll bite. George Foreman won his lineal titles when 45, defending it for 3 years before losing it to Shannon Briggs in his 4th defense.

Vitali has defended his title 3 times since turning 40, beating Adamek, Chisora and Charr.

George Foreman defended his title 4 times, losing the last. Vitali has defended his 3 times.

[DreamFighter]

Vitali is no ATG or even HOFer though he would KO Wlad.

[beez721]

Vitali is no ATG or even HOFer though he would KO Wlad.

lol,,saying vitali isnt a hofer is every bit as ludicrous as his fanboys calling him a top 10 atg. laughable

[JAB5239]

Since my points keep getting ducked by the TS an encore is in place:

So I ask this question in post 6:



A reasonable question that needs answering before you seriously can try to determine whether Vitali is an ATG or not.

Oddly enough the TS, who is a mod of boxingscene's historysection BTW, ignores the question and spends the next several days laughing and ridiculing the posters who voted Vitali was an ATG. Finally 170 posts later we get the definition that is paramount:




In other words you have to be considered top 20 in your division all-time to be considered an ATG.

Now Jab and his henchmen has spent about 100+ posts ridiculing those saying Vitali was an ATG, so one would think that Jab, being a scholar of the sports history, has Vitali ranked far away from all-time greatness. I mean how else can you justify all that bullying and ridiculing?

Let's see the answer:



So Vitali JUST misses the cut! Ahahahahaha!

What a joke you are Jab. How can you justify this ridicule towards posters who just might happen to rank Vitali no. 20 all-time instead instead of JUST missing the cut as you do? We are talking about highly subjective all-time rankings where the difference might be as low as one single place! Talk about having an agenda!


Wauw!

All your posts have been answered and so has every question through out this thread by either myself or one of the other very reasonable people who realize Vits, while being a very good fighter and a probable h2h nightmare for most fighters in history, is simply not an all time great because of a very weak resume. You on the other hand refuse to answer (just like every other Vitaly stan) what it is that puts him ahead of more accomplished fighters with better resumes. You refuse to answer what other ATG heavyweight holds NO wins over another ATG or HOFer. You would rather say things like "you got destroyed" or "your agenda was exposed" and ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority agree with me. So I'll ask you again, have they all been destroyed too? Do they all have an agenda also?

[$coinblatt$]

his resume isn't up to par with other great HW's.

[RadioBox]

Vitali's greatest moment was when he lasted 6 rounds against a obese corpse version of Lennox Lewis.
That being said.. he is still an ATG Heavyweight if you judge ATG Heavyweights based on H2H.

In terms of resume.. he's probably not an ATG.. but h2h he's top 10.