Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[JAB5239]

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I pointed out your hypocrisy. That's all. Seeing that you cannot defend it underlines my point. I haven't answered the question because I don't know the definition of ATG. I asked about a definition in post 6! That definition came in post 276 (or thereabout). Or maybe it didn't:

What exactly is the hypocrisy? ATG is subjective, we both agree on this. Does this mean its impossible to form opinions based on resumes? I don't think it does.

I already quoted it on multiple occasions. But if that isn't your definition of ATG , even though you said that it was reasonable, then we still don't know the premisses of the thread here 400 posts in!

Seems everyone else gets this but you.

So you are saying that you haven't made fun of posters having Vitali as an ATG? I suggest re-reading your own posts.

No, I'm saying you're a flat out liar for saying I made fun of posters who would rank him at 20 or just missing the cut. I've never said an argument couldn't be made for that kind of ranking. But ANYONE who put Vits in their top 10 really doesn't know much about this sport. And again talking about hypocrisy....it's funny you jump all over me for pointing out Vits weak resume but you sit idly by when other say he's an ATG and even say he's top 10. Why do none of those people have to define something for you? Oh that's right, your double standards and agenda.

All I know is that he JUST misses the cut on your list. I never said otherwise. That could mean he missed by a single spot right?

Please show me where in this thread I posted my list? Show me where I said "he just misses the cut on MY list"?

I haven't lied. I haven't trolled. I have pointed out your blatant hypocrisy (thanks for the spellcheck BTW).

You've been caught in several lies such as saying I said "he just misses the cut on my list". On top of that you claim to be pointing out my hypocrisy by being a hypocrite yourself. BRILLIANT strategy Bat, just brilliant!!

[BostonGuy]

How about you providing a cursory link to where I provided a criteria. Oh that's right you can't because you're just making **** up. Tell us BG, does Vittles have an ATG resume?

Why do you have to strike such a negative tone with me? If that's not one of your criteria then say so - not go on a tirade. Holy fuck, did someone piss in your Wheaties today?

[JAB5239]

You being mod is relevant because you should be a shining lighttower of boxing knowledge since you are boxing history mod.

Really? Is that in the Boxingscene moderators handbook? Worry about my moderating the history section in the history section. In NSB I'm just another poster. Bringing up me being moderator in a negative way is staff harassment. Since you obviously read the moderator handbook cover to cover Im sure you already know this.

[BostonGuy]

How about you providing a cursory link to where I provided a criteria. Oh that's right you can't because you're just making **** up. Tell us BG, does Vittles have an ATG resume?

Here it is, hothead:

I got destroyed? Not a single person including yourself has been able to explain how Vittles can be an ATG with his weak resume. Nuthuggers like to say he can beat this one or that one so he's an ATG. Sorry son but that's not how it works. Name me one all time great without a win over a HOF fighter. You can't. But we should make an exception for ole Vitaly because you're sweet on him. So you go ahead and keep talking out your ass about how I "got destroyed". But just remember, more than 3/4 of the voters agree with me. Did they all get destroyed too? Do they all have an agenda?

Now take your bottle and go find an Andre Ward thread to cry in.

[JAB5239]

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And that's exactly what the Klitschkos have done. Even more they have absolutely destroyed the majority of opponents and both maintain amazing KO percentages.

So by your own admission Ali couldn't have done any more in this era than the Klitschkos, because the high quality opponents just weren't available. Argument over.

You've missed the entire point. You just don't get vaulted over others who have better resumes. And don't bring Wlad into this, this thread is about Vitaly. And also, lets not pretend he's even beat the cream of the crop in this crappy era because he hasn't. He's a list of the fighters he didn't fight for one reason or another minus the 3 years he retired. All were top 10 by the ring during the same time as Vits.

Tyson
Holyfield
Tua
Maskaev
Rahman
Ruiz
McCline
O'Quendo
Jones jr
Toney
Golota
Brewster
Barret
Chagaev
Povetkin
Valuev
Dimitrenko
Chambers
Haye
Boystov
Thompson
Helenius
Pulev
Fury

Pretty long list, huh? So much for fighting everybody.



Anyone who ranks Ali ahead of Robinson is an idiot. And no, of course they wouldn't. People would however certainly consider him an all-time great. Something that you're denying the Klitschkos for some silly reason(probably far right wing nationalism).

Keep your crap accusations of nationalism out of my thread. Im denying Vits an ATG spot because his **** resume and the fact he didn't fight so many top fighters.

[JAB5239]

Here it is, hothead:

That's a question. I never said that was a criteria. Try again.

[JAB5239]

Why do you have to strike such a negative tone with me? If that's not one of your criteria then say so - not go on a tirade. Holy fuck, did someone piss in your Wheaties today?

Probably because I don't trust you. I see how you take care of some of the race baiters here who stick up for the Klits at all costs and how you've treated my points no matter how valid.

[LoneLocust]

Pretty long list, huh? So much for fighting everybody.

So now on top of faulting the Klitschkos for not controlling when they were born, you're judging them for not facing opponents that were blatantly avoiding them. Brilliant stuff man, keep it comin'.

Keep your crap accusations of nationalism out of my thread. Im denying Vits an ATG spot because his **** resume and the fact he didn't fight so many top fighters.

Looks like I hit a nerve, I think I was in the right area. If they were American you would be sucking their ****s.

[JAB5239]

So now on top of faulting the Klitschkos for not controlling when they were born, you're judging them for not facing opponents that were blatantly avoiding them. Brilliant stuff man, keep it comin'.



Looks like I hit a nerve, I think I was in the right area. If they were American you would be sucking their ****s.

Lol, you're such an idiot. Are you enjoying your time at ESB?

[JAB5239]

80 people agree Vits resume is not ATG worthy. Are they all haters with an agenda? Or is it they just see what Klit fans want to shield their eyes from.......the truth?