Isn't Floyd to big for other Welterweights?

[HeroBando]

Well if you think he is 156 on fight night then he must be getting bigger because when he was Golovkin's age he was 146 on fight night and on regular basis.

So which one is it? Do fighters stop growing at Golovkin's age? Or not?

Because Floyd, in your mind, has grown an entire 10 lbs (From 146-156) from when he was Golovkin's age to this moment in time.

Doesn't add up.

Got me. Of course fighters may gain weight over time, even at old age. It's often laziness or pursuit of bigger fights. Either way, look at Canelo vs GGG's growth progression. It's clear who's gaining faster.

[Juof]

Has there ever been anyone in history who had be called out to fight guys 2 weight classes higher than them because they reigned for so long. Alot of the greats changed weightclasses on their own accord. Floyd gets so much hate that they're crying out for him to fight 180 pound come fight night fighters

[IronDanHamza]

My problem is you can't settle on an excuse. When one doesn't work, on to something else, or fudging things around. Or like here, a not so potent mixture of all. Like Rigo and 108, wtf? I'm saying champ at 118 dude, like Floyd is a champ at 154.

I said 115 cause I think Rigo could go even one step beyond. That is, your career weight excuse is invalid in principle.

This is difficult.

What seems to ellude you, is Rigondeaux moving down to 118 is NOT the same as Golovkin moving down to 154.

The lower weight classes are closer together than the higher ones. Not sure you know.

I've broken this down multiple times but it seems you're struggling so I will do it again.

Golokin fights at 160, has done for 7 years. Mayweather fights at 147, which, is 13 lbs south of 160.

Rigondeaux fights at 122 (Let's for arguments sake, pretend he's been there for 7 years also) what is 13 lbs south of 122? 109 lbs. Hence, the example of 108.

So, to compare Rigondeaux to Mayweather-Golovkin demand, I.e Demanding or expecting a 147 lber who selectively and rarely fights at 154, who has never weighed in more than 151 lbs to fight a 7 year 160 lber is literally the equivelent to expecting and demanding a 108 lber, who selectively and rarely fights at 115 lbs, and has never weighed more than 112 lbs, to fight Rigondeaux at 115 lbs (NOT 118).

That's assuming Rigondeaux could make 115 if he'd been at 122 for 7 years. Which, is very unlikely. I.e Golovkin making 154 having been at 160 for 7 years.

I bolded the numbers to make it easier for you as it seems you're having trouble. Hope you finally grasp it.

[IronDanHamza]

Got me. Of course fighters may gain weight over time, even at old age. It's often laziness or pursuit of bigger fights. Either way, look at Canelo vs GGG's growth progression. It's clear who's gaining faster.

Ok, so Golovkin hasn't stopped growing, then? Or you atleast don't know if he has or hasn't like you were claiming yesterday.

Glad that is settled.

[HeroBando]

This is difficult.

What seems to ellude you, is Rigondeaux moving down to 118 is NOT the same as Golovkin moving down to 154.

The lower weight classes are closer together than the higher ones. Not sure you know.

I've broken this down multiple times but it seems you're struggling so I will do it again.

Golokin fights at 160, has done for 7 years. Mayweather fights at 147, which, is 13 lbs south of 160.

Rigondeaux fights at 122 (Let's for arguments sake, pretend he's been there for 7 years also) what is 13 lbs south of 122? 109 lbs. Hence, the example of 108.

So, to compare Rigondeaux to Mayweather-Golovkin demand, I.e Demanding or expecting a 147 lber who selectively and rarely fights at 154, who has never weighed in more than 151 lbs to fight a 7 year 160 lber is literally the equivelent to expecting and demanding a 108 lber, who selectively and rarely fights at 115 lbs, and has never weighed more than 112 lbs, to fight Rigondeaux at 115 lbs (NOT 118).

That's assuming Rigondeaux could make 115 if he'd been at 122 for 7 years. Which, is very unlikely. I.e Golovkin making 154 having been at 160 for 7 years.

I bolded the numbers to make it easier for you as it seems you're having trouble. Hope you finally grasp it.

Floyd is a champ at 154, why are you trying to obfuscate this? Show me 1 ranking that hasn't had him in top 2 for the past 14 months. He's having a title unification including the "lineal" belt right up next. That's what I'm talking about, special needs champ

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd is a champ at 154, why are you trying to obfuscate this? Show me 1 ranking that hasn't had him in top 2 for the past 14 months. He's having a title unification including the "lineal" belt right up next. That's what I'm talking about, special needs champ

And how exactly is that the same as Rigondeaux moving down from 122 to 118? It's not. It's the same as Rigondeaux moving from 122 to 115 to fight a guy who usually fights at 108 and is a "Champ" after his 2 fights at 115 in which he weighed in heaviest 112 Do you still not understand?

Again, read slowly

That 108 lber, who has fought at 115 a total of 2 times his entire career and never weighed more than 112 and is a "Champ" there should not be expected to fight the fighter who has been at 122 for the last 7 years, what we are pretending is Rigondeaux in this example.

Like I said, a really really bad example on your part.

If anything, it further shows how ridiculous it is to expect that from a fighter.

[New England]

Has there ever been anyone in history who had be called out to fight guys 2 weight classes higher than them because they reigned for so long. Alot of the greats changed weightclasses on their own accord. Floyd gets so much hate that they're crying out for him to fight 180 pound come fight night fighters

yes, it used to happen. the jump from WW to MW was the only jump from WW. there wasn't a jr MW

ray robinson made it, for example.

the difference is that ray robinson was almost six feet tall, more robust than mayweather and a knockout puncher, and entering a MW era with a ton of big time fighters. mayweather started out at 130 lbs. robinson started relatively low, but he was a WW within a year and a half of turning pro.

[HeroBando]

And how exactly is that the same as Rigondeaux moving down from 122 to 118? It's not. It's the same as Rigondeaux moving from 122 to 115 to fight a guy who usually fights at 108 and is a "Champ" after his 2 fights at 115 in which he weighed in heaviest 112 Do you still not understand?

Again, read slowly

That 108 lber, who has fought at 115 a total of 2 times his entire career and never weighed more than 112 and is a "Champ" there should not be expected to fight the fighter who has been at 122 for the last 7 years, what we are pretending is Rigondeaux in this example.

Like I said, a really really bad example on your part.

If anything, it further shows how ridiculous it is to expect that from a fighter.

108 is not the equivalent, you need to scale it proportional to body weight. Looks like you tried, but going the wrong way lol. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, your brain must be clouded with all that frantic excuse making

[IronDanHamza]

108 is not the equivalent, you need to scale it proportional to body weight. Looks like you tried, but going the wrong way lol. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, your brain must be clouded with all that frantic excuse making

109 is 13 lbs south of 122 just like 147 is 13 lbs south of 160.

Let me guess, Rigondeaux moving from 122 to 118 (4 lbs) is the equvilent to Golovkin moving from 160 to 154 (6 lbs) in "proportion to body weight"

The weight's I've provided are the same differneces in weight for Mayweather-Golovkin.

Neither are likely, neither are logical and neither are to be expected of the smaller fighter.

[HeroBando]

109 is 13 lbs south of 122 just like 147 is 13 lbs south of 160.

Let me guess, Rigondeaux moving from 122 to 118 (4 lbs) is the equvilent to Golovkin moving from 160 to 154 (6 lbs) in "proportion to body weight"

The weight's I've provided are the same differneces in weight for Mayweather-Golovkin.

Neither are likely, neither are logical and neither are to be expected of the smaller fighter.

well at least you have to scale it a little lol. Floyd is a champ at 154. The equivalent is 118. Next division down is 115. I'll grant you these are spaced closer, but at least pick 112, 109 makes it seem like you're reaching for excuses.

Bottom line, is Floyd a SWW champ in your mind or not?