Isn't Floyd to big for other Welterweights?

[IronDanHamza]

I really do wonder. Most of all I wonder how so many of his fans are tripping all over themselves to give him weight excuses repeatedly, having in mind his unwillingness to weigh in fight night. Boggles the mind

I thought you said fighters stop growing at Golovkins age?

That means that you, at least, don't believe Mayweather is any bigger now than he was when he was unofficially weighing in on a regular basis.

[HeroBando]

I might be wrong, but since the JMM fight he's been allowing them to weigh him fight night for practically every fight. I'm quite sure of this.

You're totally wrong. Floyd has 1 fight night figure since 2007, 150 for Ortiz. It's a figure much thrown around, you know, it's proof Floyd is 150 max

[IronDanHamza]

I might be wrong, but since the JMM fight he's been allowing them to weigh him fight night for practically every fight. I'm quite sure of this.

Nah, not he case.

Since the Oscar fight he's decided to imitate Oscars "don't weigh me" diva ish antics.

He weighed in for Ortiz though, and weighed in for the WBC 30 days out for Guererro.

[HeroBando]

7 year career middleweights who have never been lower than MW don't usually come under "people who can make 154".

Not at least until they actually do it once.

And he definitely shouldn't be expected to fight him until whilst still being at MW for his 8th year and counting.

He and his trainer say no problem, comes into camp at 166. Highest fight night weight below Canelo, Trout, Angulo, Kirkland etc. Said they'd go down not just for Floyd, but Canelo, even Cotto. It's not implausible at all. Heck I think Rigo could make 115 with effort, 118 would be no problem

[HeroBando]

I thought you said fighters stop growing at Golovkins age?

That means that you, at least, don't believe Mayweather is any bigger now than he was when he was unofficially weighing in on a regular basis.

I never said Floyd is getting bigger, I'm saying there's at least a 3lbs variance and 150 is probably his low, hence the weighin (you know Floyd is just like that). So he's probably hit 156 or so. I doubt he's hit 160 ever.

I grant you 156 is very low for SWW, but it's the burden of being the champ there. Most of these top SWWs are heavier fight night than GGG, even at SWW

[IronDanHamza]

He and his trainer say no problem, comes into camp at 166. Highest fight night weight below Canelo, Trout, Angulo, Kirkland etc. Said they'd go down not just for Floyd, but Canelo, even Cotto. It's not implausible at all. Heck I think Rigo could make 115 with effort, 118 would be no problem

Saying and doing, two different things.

Arturo Gatti had higher fight night weight's than a lot of those guys. Guess what? It's irrelevant. Weighing in and coming to the ring are two different things.

The same terrible Rigondeaux example.

Again, multiple times, it's not the same. 122 and 118 are not the same as 160 and 154 despite being 1 weight class apart.

And, if Rigondeaux had been at 122 for 7 years, moving down to 115 would likely be a problem, a big problem.

And it doesn't even matter if Golovkin can make 154 or not. Despite it being very unlikely, that doesn't matter. The point I'm reiterating is that a guy who's a WW and has never been heavier than 151 his entire career shouldn't be expected to fight a 7 year career MW until they move down and into postion.

Just like, as stated numerous times in the other thread, a fighter who fights at 108 shouldn't be expected to fight Rigondeaux at 115, especially if Rigondeaux had been at 122 for 7 years.

But you would think that would be obvious.

You would think this would have been relayed just yesterday.

It's like dealing with animals.

[Augustane]

He trains year-round, so he walks around at about 150-155, I'd imagine. If he was similar to other fighters who take time off, he'd probably be around 160-165-ish.

[IronDanHamza]

I never said Floyd is getting bigger, I'm saying there's at least a 3lbs variance and 150 is probably his low, hence the weighin (you know Floyd is just like that). So he's probably hit 156 or so. I doubt he's hit 160 ever.

I grant you 156 is very low for SWW, but it's the burden of being the champ there. Most of these top SWWs are heavier fight night than GGG, even at SWW

Well if you think he is 156 on fight night then he must be getting bigger because when he was Golovkin's age he was 146 on fight night and on regular basis.

So which one is it? Do fighters stop growing at Golovkin's age? Or not?

Because Floyd, in your mind, has grown an entire 10 lbs (From 146-156) from when he was Golovkin's age to this moment in time.

Doesn't add up.

[HeroBando]

Saying and doing, two different things.

Arturo Gatti had higher fight night weight's than a lot of those guys. Guess what? It's irrelevant. Weighing in and coming to the ring are two different things.

The same terrible Rigondeaux example.

Again, multiple times, it's not the same. 122 and 118 are not the same as 160 and 154 despite being 1 weight class apart.

And, if Rigondeaux had been at 122 for 7 years, moving down to 115 would likely be a problem, a big problem.

And it doesn't even matter if Golovkin can make 154 or not. Despite it being very unlikely, that doesn't matter. The point I'm reiterating is that a guy who's a WW and has never been heavier than 151 his entire career shouldn't be expected to fight a 7 year career MW until they move down and into postion.

Just like, as stated numerous times in the other thread, a fighter who fights at 108 shouldn't be expected to fight Rigondeaux at 115, especially if Rigondeaux had been at 122 for 7 years.

But you would think that would be obvious.

You would think this would have been relayed just yesterday.

It's like dealing with animals.

My problem is you can't settle on an excuse. When one doesn't work, on to something else, or fudging things around. Or like here, a not so potent mixture of all. Like Rigo and 108, wtf? I'm saying champ at 118 dude, like Floyd is a champ at 154.

I said 115 cause I think Rigo could go even one step beyond. That is, your career weight excuse is invalid in principle.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I never said Floyd is getting bigger, I'm saying there's at least a 3lbs variance and 150 is probably his low, hence the weighin (you know Floyd is just like that). So he's probably hit 156 or so. I doubt he's hit 160 ever.

I grant you 156 is very low for SWW, but it's the burden of being the champ there. Most of these top SWWs are heavier fight night than GGG, even at SWW

Yeah that's beneath the point, he HBO, hasn't made '54, has fought anyone credible at 154...it's a dead fight. Give it up. Floyd was 148.5 at the 30 day weigh in, how the hell does he hit 156?