Miguel Cotto's opponents

[Madjab]

Mayweather still had tons of fights he was pursuing at 140 and 147.

That's like me saying Broner is an "elite" WW today because he beat Malignaggi and is a 3 weight champ.

Or like me saying Broner's an elite JWW while only fighting Maidana. Well what about Mathysse, Garcia, Peterson, Rios, ect

There was too much sorting out and Mayweather was still pursuing too many fights.

Now Andre Ward is hands down an elite SMW as is Carl Froch right now. Not too much more to figure out that they already figured out.

No it's not like that at all. Mayweather's wins over Sosa, Manfredy, Hernandez and Corrales **** all over anything Broner has done. Broner doesn't have a win as good as Manfredy yet

[BoxingGenius27]

No it's not like that at all. Mayweather's wins over Sosa, Manfredy, Hernandez and Corrales **** all over anything Broner has done. Broner doesn't have a win as good as Manfredy yet

I'm talking about divisions here, specifically 140/147, not over one's career. If we're talking about head to head, that's another story. But if we're talking about "accomplishments" in said division, now we're talking.

Floyd just can't go and be an elite SMW because he beat Daniel Barker or someone like that.

I'm talking about "what the person did in said weight division", not historically several years ago in a few divisions below.

In my opinion, you should be elite in "applicable" weight class cause you put in work on "applicable" weight class opponents. Not just one, two and done.

[MikeRo1972]

This is not a Cotto hate thread, I have no feelings about Cotto one way or the other. The only thing I've ever had to say about Cotto is he gets overrated by a lot of people, and in reality his resume isn't even as good as Jose Luis Castillo and it's about even to Diego Corrales. Seriously, just look at the wins.

But Delvin Rodriguez is the typical Cotto opponent in my book, when he's not facing a Mayweather, Pacquiao, or Mosley in 07'. A guy who's a decent enough fighter, would beat some of the low level guys and a few mid level guys, but is nothing more than just "decent" at best. A guy who no one would consider a good win for someone like Mayweather, Pacquiao, or any other fighter who is hated by tons.

He's similar to Cotto's fights against Carlos Maussa, Kelson Pinto, Randall Bailey, DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Carlos Quintana, Oktay Urkal, Alfonso Gomez, Yuri Foreman, and now Delvin Rodriguez.

I just feel like Cotto fights A TON of guys that are of that caliber, mid level guys. Aside from his win over Mosley, and if you count Judah as a good win, who has Cotto really fought and beat that weren't mid level fighters at best???

*Note: I completely approve Delvin as an opponent consider he's coming off back-to-back losses to Floyd and Trout, just something I was thinking about today.

Lost all credibility right there in the first paragraph. No need to read on.

[BoxingGenius27]

Broner has done. Broner doesn't have a win as good as Manfredy yet

I feel like the DeMarco win is just as good as Floyd's Manfreddy win.

I remember watching Floyd-Manfreddy on ESPN or some schit

[Madjab]

I'm talking about divisions here, specifically 140/147, not over one's career. If we're talking about head to head, that's another story. But if we're talking about "accomplishments" in said division, now we're talking.

Floyd just can't go and be an elite SMW because he beat Daniel Barker or someone like that.

I'm talking about "what the person did in said weight division", not historically several years ago in a few divisions below.

In my opinion, you should be elite in "applicable" weight class cause you put in work on "applicable" weight class opponents. Not just one, two and done.

So why would beating A guy like Clottey make Floyd an elite welterweight? Who had Clottey beaten? Who had Margarito beaten in 2005 that would elevate Floyd to elite WW status?

You're overrating the division terribly here. This is a division where god damn Baldomir, Judah and Mayorga were ranked #1 for a moment within the span of a couple years

[HeroBando]

Lost all credibility right there in the first paragraph. No need to read on.

Sure looks like a Cotto hate thread, right. But maybe that wasn't the intention, maybe it was to boost Floyd

[BoxingGenius27]

So why would beating A guy like Clottey make Floyd an elite welterweight? Who had Clottey beaten? Who had Margarito beaten in 2005 that would elevate Floyd to elite WW status?

You're overrating the division terribly here. This is a division where god damn Baldomir, Judah and Mayorga were ranked #1 for a moment within the span of a couple years

But that was the whole point. Nobody really did schit at WW, including Mayweather, but the others were fighting each other trying to figure out. Kinda like how the Super Six fought their way through it to determine who was the best.

That's why they had to "fight". This was right before Mayweather retired.

There were so many question marks, so much excitement, so much possiblities at this time. If you were there and witnessed it, you'd HAVE to know what I'm talking about.

Remember when JWW was stacked and there were so many unanswered questions up until a few months ago? Well, JWW today had schit on WW back then. The problem was just like Broner bypassed JWW, Floyd really didn't get in the mix like guys like Williams, Cotto, Quintana, Margarito, Clottey, ect did back then.

Keep in mind all the guys outside of Margarito were undefeated. I count Clottey as undefeated at that time cause he lost due to DQ to Baldomir.

There were so many options for Floyd at WW, but he brought Hatton up from 140, refused to even talk about Paul Williams, ect.

I'm telling you man cause I witnessed it

[BoxingGenius27]

You're overrating the division terribly here. This is a division where god damn Baldomir, Judah and Mayorga were ranked #1 for a moment within the span of a couple years

Mayorga earned his. He KO'd an undefeated Forrest.

But again, what did Ward do before the SS?

What did Andre Dirrel do before the SS?

That's why you have Key prospects in a pool and they fight it out. The only way you can be somebody is to fight somebody.

At one point in time, Ali was a nobody. He just didn't step in the game as Muhammed Ali

[BoxingGenius27]

Now to Floyd's credit, I will say the MEDIA absolutely gave Floyd crap for not fighting Baldomir. And to be quite honest with you guys, pre-Floyd, Baldomir had a good story.

He beat the crap out of Judah and Gatti in bouts he was the heavy underdog. He was a big welterweight that ballooned to almost 170 lbs on fight night. He had a come forward style and could crack. Floyd just made him look garbage. But at that time, the media and I agree that anyone else other than Floyd as his opponent in the WW division, he could've been on to something.

I'll give Floyd that credit. That the media always hypes up guys, then when Floyd beats them, they downgrade the fighters.

But, I say that to say this. Now that I really think about it, Floyd's work at 140/147 pre Cotto's plaster incident, I think Cotto was on his ass JWW/WW resume wise if not better.

Cotto absolutely put in more work at that time then Mayweather did and to discredit that man like I've seen in this thread from TS while holding Floyd on a pedistil, is crap

[Doctor_Tenma]

I feel like the DeMarco win is just as good as Floyd's Manfreddy win.

I remember watching Floyd-Manfreddy on ESPN or some schit

Not so sure DeMarco would have beaten Gatti or given Johnston all he could handle.