Miguel Cotto's opponents

[Ray Corso]

What does that video have to do with boxing??? Why are you showing animal cruelity???? Why is that garbage shown here????? Ray Corso

[BoxingGenius27]

Not so sure DeMarco would have beaten Gatti or given Johnston all he could handle.

I think DeMarco had a good shot against Gatti. Gatti always found himself getting hurt, but would always land the game changer.

On top of that, Gatti bruised, swelled and cut easy. I don't know it's close. It sure would've been action packed though. I also feel like I think DeMarco could've applied pressure. I'm not so sure DeMarco takes those huge Gatti left hooks, no more than I'm sure Gatti takes DeMarco's pressure.

You might be right though. I'd have to really sit down and think about it.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Now to Floyd's credit, I will say the MEDIA absolutely gave Floyd crap for not fighting Baldomir. And to be quite honest with you guys, pre-Floyd, Baldomir had a good story.

He beat the crap out of Judah and Gatti in bouts he was the heavy underdog. He was a big welterweight that ballooned to almost 170 lbs on fight night. He had a come forward style and could crack. Floyd just made him look garbage. But at that time, the media and I agree that anyone else other than Floyd as his opponent in the WW division, he could've been on to something.

I'll give Floyd that credit. That the media always hypes up guys, then when Floyd beats them, they downgrade the fighters.

But, I say that to say this. Now that I really think about it, Floyd's work at 140/147 pre Cotto's plaster incident, I think Cotto was on his ass JWW/WW resume wise if not better.

Cotto absolutely put in more work at that time then Mayweather did and to discredit that man like I've seen in this thread from TS while holding Floyd on a pedistil, is crap

I don't think so personally, but Cotto's resume is underrated. Torres was a tough fighter as well it's too bad he got knocked out due to a headbutt, and since then I don't think he ever fought again. Malignaggi is another tough fighter as well, but he has the kind of deficiencies that will never allow him to get over the hump at the elite level, right shoulder problems, fragile hands, one handed, feather fisted. Quintana was good as well, but the beatings have made him frail, still a solid win considering Quintana went on to beat Williams. I had Cotto beating Clottey, while I think Clottey is a good fighter...he hasn't accomplished much. Then you have Cotto's best win which is Mosley.


Is that much better than Marquez, Hatton, Guerrero, Ortiz, Mosley, Judah? I know Cotto beat Judah as well but Judah was coming off of a long layoff. Not so sure man.

[Madjab]

But that was the whole point. Nobody really did schit at WW, including Mayweather, but the others were fighting each other trying to figure out. Kinda like how the Super Six fought their way through it to determine who was the best.

That's why they had to "fight". This was right before Mayweather retired.

There were so many question marks, so much excitement, so much possiblities at this time. If you were there and witnessed it, you'd HAVE to know what I'm talking about.

Remember when JWW was stacked and there were so many unanswered questions up until a few months ago? Well, JWW today had schit on WW back then. The problem was just like Broner bypassed JWW, Floyd really didn't get in the mix like guys like Williams, Cotto, Quintana, Margarito, Clottey, ect did back then.

Keep in mind all the guys outside of Margarito were undefeated. I count Clottey as undefeated at that time cause he lost due to DQ to Baldomir.

There were so many options for Floyd at WW, but he brought Hatton up from 140, refused to even talk about Paul Williams, ect.

I'm telling you man cause I witnessed it

Clottey blew it against Bladmir because he couldn;t hurt him. he tired and lost by DQ because he frustrated like he always does. He would've lost by decision after the deductions and the way the fight was going

Baldomir beating Judah was the best win over the best opponent than anyone had since Judah beating Spinks by KO at WW

[BoxingGenius27]

I don't think so personally, but Cotto's resume is underrated. Torres was a tough fighter as well it's too bad he got knocked out due to a headbutt, and since then I don't think he ever fought again. Malignaggi is another tough fighter as well, but he has the kind of deficiencies that will never allow him to get over the hump at the elite level, right shoulder problems, fragile hands, one handed, feather fisted. Quintana was good as well, but the beatings have made him frail, still a solid win considering Quintana went on to beat Williams. I had Cotto beating Clottey, while I think Clottey is a good fighter...he hasn't accomplished much. Then you have Cotto's best win which is Mosley.


Is that much better than Marquez, Hatton, Guerrero, Ortiz, Mosley, Judah? I know Cotto beat Judah as well but Judah was coming off of a long layoff. Not so sure man.

Marquez, Ortiz all came after the plaster incident in 08.

Pre plasterman 2008, Cotto had the better JWW and WW resume. Unless someone can come up with a damn good argument, I really can't see why not.

Cotto 140:

Bazan
Maussa
Sosa - Floyd UD'd him. Cotto stopped him
N'dou
Pinto
Bailey
Corley - Floyd UD'd him. Cotto stopped him
Paulie
Torres
Arabian cat; forgot his name. He beat Cotto in the Olympics

Mayweather 140:

Corely
Bruseles
Gatti





Cotto 147 pre-plasterman:

Bronco
Judah
Mosley
Quintana
Urkal


Mayweather 147 pre-plasterman:

Baldomir
Judah
Hatton


At 147, Quintana's victory over Julio is just as good as Hatton's lone victory over Collazo. If you ask me who's the more proven WW between Quintana and Hatton and it's hands down Quintana without a doubt.

From there you have Judah/Baldomir vs Urkal/Judah/Mosley/Bronco... Sorry, Carlos Baldomir doesn't outweigh Mosley/Bronco and Urkal.


Hands down, pre plasterman, Cotto had the better JWW/WW resume's.

I can't debate what's happened post 2008 cause Cotto's never been the same; which is rather odd cause Cotto's been Floyd's toughest fight yet.

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no at the first statement and @ the last

[BoxingGenius27]

Clottey blew it against Bladmir because he couldn;t hurt him. he tired and lost by DQ because he frustrated like he always does. He would've lost by decision after the deductions and the way the fight was going

Baldomir beating Judah was the best win over the best opponent than anyone had since Judah beating Spinks by KO at WW

That's close because you have Paul Williams who beat Margarito. Williams wasn't even with Top Rank which means that fight could've been made. Hell, I think Williams was even with Haymond; even easier since Mayweather's "his own boss".

But yes, at that time, according to the media, Baldomir was the best option.

But that doesn't mean only fight DLH who was a JMW and Hatton was a JWW and retire?

What about everyone else still left? No, you gotta keep going. He's supposed to help get that thang figured out

[Doctor_Tenma]

Marquez, Ortiz all came after the plaster incident in 08.

Pre plasterman 2008, Cotto had the better JWW and WW resume. Unless someone can come up with a damn good argument, I really can't see why not.

Cotto 140:

Bazan
Maussa
Sosa - Floyd UD'd him. Cotto stopped him
N'dou
Pinto
Bailey
Corley - Floyd UD'd him. Cotto stopped him
Paulie
Torres
Arabian cat; forgot his name. He beat Cotto in the Olympics

Mayweather 140:

Corely
Bruseles
Gatti





Cotto 147 pre-plasterman:

Bronco
Judah
Mosley
Quintana
Urkal


Mayweather 147 pre-plasterman:

Baldomir
Judah
Hatton


At 147, Quintana's victory over Julio is just as good as Hatton's lone victory over Collazo. If you ask me who's the more proven WW between Quintana and Hatton and it's hands down Quintana without a doubt.

From there you have Judah/Baldomir vs Urkal/Judah/Mosley/Bronco... Sorry, Carlos Baldomir doesn't outweigh Mosley/Bronco and Urkal.


Hands down, pre plasterman, Cotto had the better JWW/WW resume's.

I can't debate what's happened post 2008 cause Cotto's never been the same; which is rather odd cause Cotto's been Floyd's toughest fight yet.

My fault, that one flew over me, in that sense I can agree. I don't agree with Cotto not being the same entirely. Of course much was left in the ring against Margarito but he has more than enough to still make a lot of noise at 154, or 147 if he's willing to put in the work. I remember seeing Margarito flashbacks between his lose to Margarito up until his rematch with him, and all that seemed to have gone away after he had won. When Trout stunned him with the uppercut he didn't fall apart mentally, same as when Mayweather hurt him.

[BoxingGenius27]

My fault, that one flew over me, in that sense I can agree. I don't agree with Cotto not being the same entirely. Of course much was left in the ring against Margarito but he has more than enough to still make a lot of noise at 154, or 147 if he's willing to put in the work. I remember seeing Margarito flashbacks between his lose to Margarito up until his rematch with him, and all that seemed to have gone away after he had won. When Trout stunned him with the uppercut he didn't fall apart mentally, same as when Mayweather hurt him.

Clottey had Cotto on the brink of repeating what Marg did, that's when I knew Cotto wasn't the same and lost a lot. Had Clottey had it in his mind that he was the superior fighter, Cotto was there for the taking. Pre-Margarito, I really don't give Clottey a chance, but hey....

Yes, I agree, Cotto of today can still beat a lot of people. Same as if Jordan came back today, I'm pretty sure he can earn a spot on an NBA team. But that's what great fighters are able to do. A lot of good fighters can't beat them on their worse day. That's how I felt about Cotto.

Not so much now. I'm not sure he doesn't get stopped by Rodriguez to be honest with you. Cotto hasn't been the same for quite some time, imo.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Clottey had Cotto on the brink of repeating what Marg did, that's when I knew Cotto wasn't the same and lost a lot. Had Clottey had it in his mind that he was the superior fighter, Cotto was there for the taking. Pre-Margarito, I really don't give Clottey a chance, but hey....

Yes, I agree, Cotto of today can still beat a lot of people. Same as if Jordan came back today, I'm pretty sure he can earn a spot on an NBA team. But that's what great fighters are able to do. A lot of good fighters can't beat them on their worse day. That's how I felt about Cotto.

Not so much now. I'm not sure he doesn't get stopped by Rodriguez to be honest with you. Cotto hasn't been the same for quite some time, imo.

Rodriguez will definitely lose, I like Delvin as he's been through a lot of robberies and I'm just happy to see him get a good paycheck but Rodriguez can't deal with boxers. Cotto will outbox him quite easily, and offensively he'll do a lot more than Trout did. I just want to see Cotto fight Carlos Molina afterwards.

Molina in my honest opinion is overrated, what he does in the ring wouldn't work against a physical guy who can fight on the inside, this is why Molina has had a lot of success in the ring, that coupled with the dirtiness but again that's the fight I really want to see at 154. If that's what it takes to prove Cotto has a lot left.