Comments Thread For: No Real Controversy in Dereck Chisora’s Knockout Win

[Earl-Hickey]

I say let's just have a rematch, Scott had shot his load, was gassing out, was totally unable to make a dent in chisora and would have been stopped anyway.

As "slick" as he supposedly is he just doesn't have the game to keep chisora off him and was worn out due to being forced to grapple on the inside.

[Neckodeemus]

Am I wrong; doesn't the Rule say that the downed fighter has 10 seconds to rise to his feet..... And as I recall-admittedly a long time ago- when I was a kid and being a boxer i was often at ringside and many a time i heard the referee Lugs Brannigan (well known to all Irishmen and National Stadium attendees of those days) count 9....10... and OUT.

Things have changed.

Cheers for the reads, guys. If you go nine, ten then out it could tip to 11 seconds. It depends, for example Joe Gans KO1 Frank Erne 12/5/1902 was reported at nine and out, so were a lot of other fights in the bygone days.

It would be interesting to do a pre and post-Rocky II test.

One of the other writers pointed out that refs often speed up the count to reach 10 when a guy’s in a bad way. Maybe in the USA, here in the UK the ref will wave the count off to ensure the medics get into the ring immediately, which results in what we call a TCO (Technical Count Out).

I will say this, the rules are there, but applications vary and this creates a whole host of problems.

[andrewa1]

No controversy....

Other than the fact he was up before 10.

You and some of the others just didn't read the article, did you? The ref did the appropriate thing under the rules. He was out at 10, still in process of rising, unable to defend himself, and out under the rules. He was already badly losing the fight (check out the compubox domination), no rematch is necessary. You can demand a rule change (although I don't see why, if the fighter wanted to continue, he would get up by 8), but don't slam the result.

[Clegg]

I knew who the author would be as soon as I saw the headline. A decent writer most of the time but always with a sizeable dose of pro-UK bias.

I'm British and enjoy watching our fighters but you're taking it to a new level when you try so hard to justify what was clearly the wrong decision.

No top-level ref would've handled the count in that way. It's time to accept that the officials in this country are simply not good enough, instead people make excuses for them and try and make arguments that they wouldn't be making were it a foreign ref making the same call in favour of a foreign fighter.

People defending the UK often say that there are bad decisions everywhere and no nation has a perfect record when it comes to fair officiating. But the difference is that when there's a bad call in Germany or the US, we call it what it is. When it happens in the UK though there are mostly just excuses and attempts to justify it. These bad calls will keep happening until we stop defending it.

The guy was up in time, it's clearly there on video, what the hell is this nonsense everyone keeps coming out with?

[Russian Crushin]

The wave is 10, doesn't matter if the ref says 10 or waves the fight is still over.

No the ref must count to 10 and then wave, It says so in the rule book. The wave is not 10

[Russian Crushin]

The wave is 10, doesn't matter if the ref says 10 or waves the fight is still over.

Yes it does matter, the rules says he must count to 10 and then wave. Not 9 and wave

[joe strong]

I read yesterday he said he watched the count & was up by 8? He got up at nine from what i saw. The fight wouldn't have been over in the states or canada. He looked at his corner & nodded then watched the count & beat the 10. Nowif he said he got up at 8 then that tells me he either couldn't understand the ref(heavy english accent) or he was not aware of the "rules" listed above were actually enforced overseas as many guys get up at 9 over here. Crap ending but according to the rules scott left himself open to be stopped for not getting up at 8... Discetion was used by the ref but too bad it NEVER happens to the home fighter? Fury twice got early stoppage wins vs pajkic & firtha...i still think it was early but it's done now...

[Weebler I]

When it happens in the UK though there are mostly just excuses and attempts to justify it.

It's the same in the US and elsewhere. I can remember all those defending referee Joe Cooper and the Hatman when Khan lost to PEDerson.

You are right however, everyone should complain about poor officiating (ref & judges) but then no one wants to when they approve of the result. C'est la vie.

[Neckodeemus]

I knew who the author would be as soon as I saw the headline. A decent writer most of the time but always with a sizeable dose of pro-UK bias.

I'm British and enjoy watching our fighters but you're taking it to a new level when you try so hard to justify what was clearly the wrong decision.

No top-level ref would've handled the count in that way. It's time to accept that the officials in this country are simply not good enough, instead people make excuses for them and try and make arguments that they wouldn't be making were it a foreign ref making the same call in favour of a foreign fighter.

People defending the UK often say that there are bad decisions everywhere and no nation has a perfect record when it comes to fair officiating. But the difference is that when there's a bad call in Germany or the US, we call it what it is. When it happens in the UK though there are mostly just excuses and attempts to justify it. These bad calls will keep happening until we stop defending it.

The guy was up in time, it's clearly there on video, what the hell is this nonsense everyone keeps coming out with?

No bias here, I’m afraid. I’ve previously been accused of being pro-black America fighters as well as pro and anti-Khan, so I’m splitting the difference and claiming objectivity!

The same type of count was applied in the Gans fight mentioned above, plus many others from the boxing’s earlier age, Nigel Benn’s loss to Michael Watson, Danny Williams Vs Scott Gammer and Brian Magee against Rudy Markussen (just to add a bit of continental flavour) although the count seemed slow in that fight. Derry Mathews and Tony Oakey also rose at nine and were counted out, but both said the count was wrong or, in Oakey’s case, it was a split-second misjudgement.

Scott should have been up and ready by eight, just to eliminate any doubt. It was rank inexperience or the corner were a second behind the count, which has happened before in boxing.

[Ravens Fan]

Scott could have used the services of that British ref's Canadian cousin. The one that counted Bute during the first Andrade fight.