Comments Thread For: No Real Controversy in Dereck Chisora’s Knockout Win
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I don't know if BoxNation showed the official cards (or if they did, perhaps they did it after the download I got ended). But I think having Scott ahead, while reasonable, might be a result of giving him too much credit for missed jabs. Chisora was the aggressor and was landing the majority of the clean punches (mostly to the body) as I saw it. Even if Scott were ahead after 5, it would be a stretch to still have him ahead after the partial 10-8 6th, which would be scored in such a scenario.I believe Scott was ahead on the official scorecards, wasn't he?
Here's how some of the press scores looked.
Kasim - (UKFighthype) : 48-47 Scott
Fight Ghost : 49-46 Scott
Alex Morris - (************) : 48-47 Scott
Adam Abramowitz - (SNBoxing) : 48-47 Scott
Tommy Allan - (************) : 48-47 Scott
Wolfgang Schiffbauer - (Sturm-Boxpromotion) : 48-47 Scott
Danny Flexen - (Boxing News) : 48-47 Scott
BoxingOpinions : 48-47 Scott
ATR Boxing Tipster : 49-47 Scott
Scott Christ - (Badlefthook) : 48-47 Scott
Phil D Jay - (***************) : 49-46 Scott
Daniel Vano - (***************) : 48-47 Scott
Victor M Salazar - (Thaboxingvoice) : 48-47 Scott
FightersRated : 49-48 Scott
John Evans - (Livefight) : 48-47 Scott
Beau Denison - (SportsPageMagazine) : 48-47 Scott
Andy Paterson - (************) : 48-47 Scott
Boxbet : 49-46 Scott
Corey Quincy - (BLBoxing) : **48-47 Chisora**
Lyle Fitzsimmons - (Boxingscene) : 48-47 Scott
Darren Velasco - (FightDomain) : 48-47 Scott
Ryan Bivins - (SweetBoxing) : *48-48 DRAW*
And look guys. There's really no defending the stoppage. Russian Crushin is absolutely right.
Let's take it in sequence.
Ref says "9." He's been counting at a certain rhythm and pace which ought to inform Scott as to his allotted time.
Well before another second had elapsed (and even before the ref started waving), Scott was off the canvas to the point that his feet were the only things touching.
So between the points where Scott's knee/glove left the canvas and the time the ref started waving and/or reached 10 (regardless of whichever should have or did come first), the ref should have decided if- being no longer down- Scott was in a position to continue.
Nobody here has made a serious case that Scott was too badly hurt to continue. Your arguments, to the extent they exist, are based on the mistaken notion that a fight that's not seriously hurt can be viewed as being unable to continue due to his physical posture.
Scott was arguably leaning over when the proper 10 was (or would have been) reached. But leaning over does not equal unprepared to continue. Being in a two-point stance with satisfactory equilibrium, awareness, and legs means you're prepared to continue.
The 10+wave or wave at 10 discussion is pretty irrelevant. The simple truth is that Scott was fully qualified to continue at 10, and indeed at the point of the wave as it actually occurred. The referee had made a decision to stop the fight at or before the moment he hit 9 which he was not prepared to reverse, and which was based on- if any- incorrect criteria. That is wrong in any country.Comment
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The 10 in the rulebook ends the fight, not the wave. He'd have gained noting if the ref said 10 instead of waving after 9.Comment
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Wait i thought the wave ends it. So now its the 10
So why didnt he say 10 in the scott fight but said 10 in the pulev fight? It doesnt make sense at all. He would have been up, thats a lot to gain. He had absolutely no time from 9 to the wave, none at all, which is why he was counted out at 9. THe ref clearly stop it after 9. If he did when he did in the pulev fight he would have been upComment
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I'll bite. It gives him a moment to reflect. Waving at 10 means you've made the decision that the fight's over at least a split-second before 10, which means the real time a downed fighter has been allowed to rise is somewhere between 9 and 10, which is wrong. If you're waving on the beat of 10, you can get caught in an awkward position wherein you are raising your arms to wave a split second after the guy has risen. The proper thing to do at that point would be to change your mind awkwardly and get the fight back in motion if the guy is fit to continue. Why not say 10 first and avoid painting yourself into a corner?Comment
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The vast majority of press scorers had Malik Scott ahead so they must all have been duped by missed jabs.
In any case I only bring it up because you suggested that they should have gone to a technical decision. If they had done that it looks like Scott was ahead on most cards and he would have won.Comment


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