Kell Brook vs Carson Jones 2 RBR & Undercard

[dan_cov]

Like I have said I imagine Maidana looks pretty impressive fighting what Brook has through this point of his career. Talent wise Brook is miles above Chino, but that doesn't means hes better.

And yes, he did impress at times tonight, but he struggled a lot of times in rounds 4-7. Maybe it was all stamina that hurt him tonight, but maybe not. Jones got through again in this fight in the middle rounds and landed some good shots. If a Maidana could do that Brook would have been in some big trouble.

Its an if though. He is slower than Jones, more flat-footed, doesn't have the head movement. He can't cut a ring off but that isn't to say he wouldn't beat Jones or isn't the better fighter.

Anybody who goes to Maidana's body has a shot at beating him for me.

I would fully expect Brook to school him with a few rough moments he'd have to weather.
Maidana is overrated due to the wars he gets in/him being vulnerable and his K.O ratio.
He is made for Brook and I'd expect it to look a lot like the Matthew Hatton fight.

[daggum]

brook needs another hector saldivia in order to get back to his best. any bums around?

[shenmue]

Its an if though. He is slower than Jones, more flat-footed, doesn't have the head movement. He can't cut a ring off but that isn't to say he wouldn't beat Jones or isn't the better fighter.

Anybody who goes to Maidana's body has a shot at beating him for me.

I would fully expect Brook to school him with a few rough moments he'd have to weather.
Maidana is overrated due to the wars he gets in/him being vulnerable and his K.O ratio.
He is made for Brook and I'd expect it to look a lot like the Matthew Hatton fight.

M Hatton isn't a miadana, offers zero threat. If Brook didn't get Maidana out there with in 6 and he tires and lays on the ropes vs he could get stopped.

Carson Jones hit Brook plenty of times in both fights and wobbled him a few times, Maidana is better than Jones and hits harder.

[dan_cov]

If you are claiming that Maidana and Bailey, even with limited time at WW, are worse than all the bums Brook has faced then I don't know what to tell you because you are clearly not dealing in logic or facts.

And I really don't get the Chino hate because his wins against Sotto Karass and Lopez are much better than anything Brook's oppents have faced. I will give you he wasn't a full fledged WW when Devon fought him.

He nearly got stopped by both guys. Karass is nothing but a tough guy, a fringe contender & Lopez is a barely top 15 light welter.
It just comes down to name value. Oh wow this guy beat say a Victor Ortiz, its like, who hasn't?

Most of these guys are nothing but names that have been pushed.

For me your Karass's and Lopez of the world are no better than a Matthew Hatton or say a Rafal Jackiewicz

[turkas]

Its an if though. He is slower than Jones, more flat-footed, doesn't have the head movement. He can't cut a ring off but that isn't to say he wouldn't beat Jones or isn't the better fighter.

Anybody who goes to Maidana's body has a shot at beating him for me.

I would fully expect Brook to school him with a few rough moments he'd have to weather.
Maidana is overrated due to the wars he gets in/him being vulnerable and his K.O ratio.
He is made for Brook and I'd expect it to look a lot like the Matthew Hatton fight.

I see it this way, if Carson Jones, a guy who's style isn't completely different than Maidan's, could get work in a much better Maidana would do a lot more and would probably hurt Brook.

The biggest question for me is size, because Brook is a big boy who is out growing WW very soon imo.

[Russian Crushin]

Maidana isn't a gatekeeper/Journeyman, he headlines shows or Co Main events shows.

He was a top 5 at LWW and is a top 10 at WW.

Thats exactly what a gatekeeper/journeyman is, a guy who's not good enough to win a title and and good fighter should beat. Who cares if he headlines or co-main events show? That doesnt take away from him being a gatekeeper.

[IronDanHamza]

Just watched the fight.

I wasnt impressed with Brook. He's a good fighter but he's so vulnerable at times.

He will undoubtedly struggle quite badly at the top level if he gets there.

[shenmue]

Thats exactly what a gatekeeper/journeyman is, a guy who's not good enough to win a title and and good fighter should beat. Who cares if he headlines or co-main events show? That doesnt take away from him being a gatekeeper.

I get what you are saying when you put it that way.

[dan_cov]

I see it this way, if Carson Jones, a guy who's style isn't completely different than Maidan's, could get work in a much better Maidana would do a lot more and would probably hurt Brook.

The biggest question for me is size, because Brook is a big boy who is out growing WW very soon imo.

Size is another thing, Jones has fought at light middle and I could be wrong but I think as high as middleweight. Hes not a small welterweight either and is a strong welter.

Maidana really is a blown up 140lb fighter who for me is soft at the weight.

That is another reason as to why I think Brook beats Alexander too, Brooks a big guy who doesn't have the wins/names on his resume but hes fought at welter his whole career & been in with big welterweights.
Both guys was shredded at 150.

[turkas]

He nearly got stopped by both guys. Karass is nothing but a tough guy, a fringe contender & Lopez is a barely top 15 light welter.
It just comes down to name value. Oh wow this guy beat say a Victor Ortiz, its like, who hasn't?

Most of these guys are nothing but names that have been pushed.

For me your Karass's and Lopez of the world are no better than a Matthew Hatton or say a Rafal Jackiewicz

He still beat them, that's just the kind of fighter he is. He takes a lot and gives a lot. But he has proven himself a lot more than Kell Brook has and to blame it one him fighting guys with better names is asinine. Yes, they have better names, but that's because they are better fighters.

And most of the people Ortiz has fought haven't. So beating him does hold credit.