Calzaghe - the numbers don't lie

[I Love Jesus!]

lol, same guy who criticizes floyds resume. at least stay consistent. ifu think floyds resume is crap, then joes is nonexistent.

Yes both are true. Obviously not compared to your average pro fighter ****** but compared to real all time greats. That's common sense and shouldn't need to be explained but U obviously know that and just need a way to justify your bum sniff opinions.

[Kagami Taiga]

Yes both are true. Obviously not compared to your average pro fighter ****** but compared to real all time greats. That's common sense and shouldn't need to be explained but U obviously know that and just need a way to justify your bum sniff opinions.

both are true meaning??? floyds resume isnt much compared to greats, but compared to boxers in the last 20 years??? its definitely among the best. calzaghes??? doesnt even deserve an honorable mention. but find somewhere where i argued floyds resume should even be compared to real atgs. ill wait btw.

[daggum]

I'm sorry I respect your opinion, and I see quite a lot of knowledgeable posts from you, but I have spoken to a few fighters who have been in with Joe (sparring) and the one thing which repeatedly came up was they were surprised at how heavy handed he was. Chris Eubank described being hit by him, "like being hit with a stone". Now clearly Joe was no KO puncher and his punching technique was sloppy but I think there is a reason why lots of fighters didnt rush him, and why he got the respect of them early on. Even Sakio Bika, who has an iron chin got steadied up by Calzaghe in the first round of that fight, watch it!

He adapted his style to protect his hands in his career post 30's.

were you speaking to david price and amir khan?

[boliodogs]

I think you are making Calzaghe sound worse than he is. Something about Joe seems to make fans overrate him or underrate him. The guy never lost a fight and he beat Hopkins in America so how bad could he be? Hopkins had some very good wins after Joe beat him so Hopkins may have been very old but he was not shot like Roy Jones was when he fought Calzaghe.

[sunny31]

Sorry but this is Boxing not Slapping! The opponents were casrefully picked from start to finish!
If his fans need to call him great thats fine I'm not here to "change anyones mind" but also refer to him as a Boxer not a Fighter and rarely fought!
He doesn't stack up to the ATG at all! Take a look back at the outstanding fellows from 155 to 175 and he just doesn't show up!! Simply moving well and quick combos doesn't get it done against true fighters with boxing skills!
His "post 30s" are his prime moments! Another thing unless your hands are injured during a fight any fighter with cronic hands doesn't feel the pain or discomfort until the fights over. Theres lots of carefull wrapping and depending what country and/or state your in theres specific amounts of gause to be applied! I had very bad knuckles when I fought from bare fist training and I didn't feel them at all during a fight! I've handled and wrapped figfhters hands that needed some special attentions.
I don't buy the "bad hands" at all! He was a poor technique "forearm" guy who never stepped in and stayed in. Like Sergio and Mayweather these fellows were not about exchanging they were about get off minimally and get on the bike! Good boxer lots of skills but a lousey unwilling fighter who would get hurt against great fighters!!! Ray.

davis; keep them, couldn't care less about it!!!

Well I have fractured my wrists in a ring and I could feel it, and I know plenty of good fighters who have shown pain in a fight from a damaged hand, it is different from fighter to fighter. I don't think it is a matter of adrenaline and not feeling, but longevity and continuing your career. He changed and adapted his style to prolong his career. He realised he didn't need to punch with so much authority as he could outbox guys, and touch them and outpoint them without damaging his hands. Plus, take the Ashira fight, he needed to fight him one handed because he broke it early, now imagine if he had been in with a Kessler, or Hopkins, or even someone like Bika.

Like I said if you watch Calzaghe's early career, he punched with much more authority, and I stand by what I said about fighters not trying to walk him down, the man was heavy handed. I agree his punching technique was not good, as I stated in my first post, but im sure the hand problems didnt help. My conclusion is that like many Americans you really haven't followed his career in enough detail, and became aware of him post Lacy. In terms of Calzaghe the fighter, agree to disagree.

[sunny31]

were you speaking to david price and amir khan?

No I was speaking to Ritchie Woodhall, and Nicky Piper. Plus I had a pretty lengthy conversation with Naseem Hamed in Nandos (with photographic evidence) who was in Eubanks dressing room after that fight. You could always ask the numerous fighters he hurt in the ring, including Kessler, but I'll let the MAN sum it up the best.

"I knew the first time I saw Calzaghe that he really had something, he went in there completely unfazed against (Chris) Eubank which nobody else had done. Eubank was the guy who usually seemed to have control of everything around him but the way Calzaghe went in there and manhandled him like that...

"I was watching it in Italy, it was the same night England beat Italy to qualify for the soccer World Cup.

"Calzaghe showed and proved power, speed, strength, workrate, stamina, chin, heart and every tangible and intangible that night and that's why I'm not suprised that he's not lost since.

"Sometimes it's like watching a welterweight or junior-middleweight in a super-middleweight's body because he's so nimble and sharp handed. I would never bet against him."

Marvin Hagler

[Sosay]

Calz was a good fighter. Not a bum, not a great but good. I understand where you guys are coming from. Why should Calz have to travel to the US? He should travel to prove his greatness but he didn't.

Roy, Hopkins, Toney, Ward, Froch> Calz

[illmaticfighter]

So calz doesnt have to travel to america , but ward does at least ward fought these guys whether at home or abroad . calz sat in the same division and didnt fight any one amd IMO lost to robin Reid .

The same guys saying floyd's resume is crap are praising calz lolllllll

[daggum]

Well I have fractured my wrists in a ring and I could feel it, and I know plenty of good fighters who have shown pain in a fight from a damaged hand, it is different from fighter to fighter. I don't think it is a matter of adrenaline and not feeling, but longevity and continuing your career. He changed and adapted his style to prolong his career. He realised he didn't need to punch with so much authority as he could outbox guys, and touch them and outpoint them without damaging his hands. Plus, take the Ashira fight, he needed to fight him one handed because he broke it early, now imagine if he had been in with a Kessler, or Hopkins, or even someone like Bika.

Like I said if you watch Calzaghe's early career, he punched with much more authority, and I stand by what I said about fighters not trying to walk him down, the man was heavy handed. I agree his punching technique was not good, as I stated in my first post, but im sure the hand problems didnt help. My conclusion is that like many Americans you really haven't followed his career in enough detail, and became aware of him post Lacy. In terms of Calzaghe the fighter, agree to disagree.

so this guy punched with authority? conclusion invalid.

[daggum]

this guy punched hard and didn't slap before the hand injuries? stop lying to yourself.