Who Is the Worst Worst Managed Fighter?

[MoneyMayFan]

Would a good manager not recognise this and advise him how to further his career? But instead he has to beg guys he's already beaten clearly to fight him again, just so he can earn anywhere near decent money. He's one of the top 5 fighters in the world, for fucks sake, if he was managed properly he'd earn 10x more per fight than he does now. To blame his style alone is nothing but a cheap cop out, casual fans buy boring fights all the time.

Im not blaming his fighting style. Im blaming his personality.

[Rockin']

going rate for a manager is 30%, too.


well managed, innhe?

The Muhamad Ali Act states that the most a manager can take from a fighters purse is 33.3%. Just sayin'.......... Rockin'

[The Hammer]

In Wilder's fourth year as a pro, in addition to Hayes (a short-notice, stay-busy fight), he also fought:

Kelvin Price, undefeated with a win over Tor Hamer

Kertson Manswell, at least as useful and as good of a journeyman as Releford and Aguilera

Owen Beck, also a journeyman, well past it but at least had fought for a title in his prime -- far more accomplished than either Releford or Aguilera

And just outside that "fourth year as a pro window," Wilder fought Travis Walker, who has a record pretty much identical to Aguilera's

Previous to that he fought Damon Reed and Dominique Alexander, both journeymen who I'd put in the same class or at worst one notch below.

Compare Wilder's resume to that of David Price. Wilder has beaten better fighters.

Kelvin Price was actually in Wilder's 5th year, and was probably Deontay's best opponent.

Owen Beck is worse than shot, he's lost 9 in a row, 8 by KO. In his fight before Wilder, Beck fought Russian Sergey Rozhnov in his pro debut!

[New England]

The Muhamad Ali Act states that the most a manager can take from a fighters purse is 33.3%. Just sayin'.......... Rockin'

booth double dips, though. he's haye's trainer.

[saintpat]

Deontay Wilder - he should have been going in with decent journeymen like Releford and Aguilera by his 4th year as a pro instead of old retired former middleweights like Marlon Hayes.

Denis Boytsov - was moved perfectly up until after the *****ko fight, since then his career has regressed

Matvey Korobov - he was headed in the right direction in his first year as a pro, but he's regressed since then

Kelvin Price was actually in Wilder's 5th year, and was probably Deontay's best opponent.

Owen Beck is worse than shot, he's lost 9 in a row, 8 by KO. In his fight before Wilder, Beck fought Russian Sergey Rozhnov in his pro debut!

OK, Price came exactly one month to the day into Wilder's fifth year -- but it was postponed from the summer when they were first supposed to fight and Price pulled out with a sparring injury.

That equals bad management?

Only difference between Beck and Releford is that Releford had someone to line up a few stiffs after he won just twice in a span of 11 fights -- guys with 3-3 and 5-10 records (and a few 25-40 types). Doesn't make him any better than Beck, just someone saw a few future paydays if they got him a couple of wins. Let Beck fight some 3-3 and 5-10 guys and I guess all of a sudden he isn't shot.

Aguilera hasn't lost to anyone with less than 5 losses in a row since 2009. Again, Beck didn't have anyone lining up the occasional win to keep him viable.

Beck lost to a pro debut guy. Releford lost to a 2-0 guy in 2010. What's your point?

I said Beck is well past it, but he's as much of a journeyman as the guys you held up as the type Wilder should have been fighting -- same as Kertson Manswell and Damon Reed and Dominique Alexander.

My point is that Wilder hasn't fought the particular journeymen you mentioned, but he has fought journeymen of the same type.

[Joey_Torreo]

Ricardo Mayorga was! He could of made a lot money if he wasn't with Don King his whole career. Can you imagine all the good fights and pre fight entertainment we could have gotten if he was with Top Rank? So many good fights..........Mayorga/Margarito, Mayorga/Floyd, Prime Mayorga/Cotto, Mayorga/ Pacquiao, Prime Mayorga/De la Hoya, ect. ect. ect.........


It pissed me off that Mayorga spent his prime years fighting once every year and a half with Don King.

now that you mention it its gotten me pissed of. but in a video i saw he claims that hes loyal to king because he was the first to put food on his families plate. and since he was so loyal and kin an arum were bitter enemies, there was no way he was gonna sign with arum

[MEXGBP]

probably vanes martirosay, the guy is a good fighters, bob doesnt care for him.

[The Hammer]

OK, Price came exactly one month to the day into Wilder's fifth year -- but it was postponed from the summer when they were first supposed to fight and Price pulled out with a sparring injury.

That equals bad management?

Only difference between Beck and Releford is that Releford had someone to line up a few stiffs after he won just twice in a span of 11 fights -- guys with 3-3 and 5-10 records (and a few 25-40 types). Doesn't make him any better than Beck, just someone saw a few future paydays if they got him a couple of wins. Let Beck fight some 3-3 and 5-10 guys and I guess all of a sudden he isn't shot.

Aguilera hasn't lost to anyone with less than 5 losses in a row since 2009. Again, Beck didn't have anyone lining up the occasional win to keep him viable.

Beck lost to a pro debut guy. Releford lost to a 2-0 guy in 2010. What's your point?

I said Beck is well past it, but he's as much of a journeyman as the guys you held up as the type Wilder should have been fighting -- same as Kertson Manswell and Damon Reed and Dominique Alexander.

My point is that Wilder hasn't fought the particular journeymen you mentioned, but he has fought journeymen of the same type.

In his 4th year, Wilder was matched against people to keep his KO streak going. That's bad management, because when he finally faces someone who isn't easy to KO, he won't be ready.

Beck has lost ALL of his past 9, and been stopped in 8 of them.
Releford has lost 4 of his past 9, and been stopped in only 2.

At this point, Wilder should be going in with durable guys like Kevin Johnson and Dominick Guinn instead of the likes of Greer and old Audley.

Tyson Fury is younger, has fewer pro fights, and has less amateur experience than Wilder. Yet he's been given some good pro experience against tough journeymen like Maddalone, Firtha, Pajkic and Kevin Johnson.

David Price like Wilder has been badly managed. I was saying even before he was stopped by Thompson that Maloney didn't get him enough rounds in 2011 and 2012. And sure enough, when he finally fought someone who isn't easy to KO, he lost.

[The Hammer]

probably vanes martirosay, the guy is a good fighters, bob doesnt care for him.

Yes, Bob Arum has done a poor job with Martirosyan and with Korobov too. I'm worried he'll ruin Zewski.

[damit305]

Ramon Garbey... Hey!