Manny is the reason for boxing's resurgence

[croz]

Compared to previous heavyweight champions, they are nothing...

'Haye & Chisora fights were absolutely huge around here'

You better not be located in Britain....

I'm in Ireland. I'm saying Wlad and Vitali are extremely well known across Europe, so the claim that few people know who they are is ridiculous. They're huge in Europe and have strong ground in other countries.

And compared to what other heavyweight champions? Compared to Ali? Compared to Tyson? Yeah sure not many athletes in general come close to that level of popularity. But compared to Lewis? Aside from being known as the guy who beat Tyson, Lewis didn't have a good following in the US, and while he was very big in the UK, he wasn't liked until he retired, and didn't have much ground outside the country aside from maybe in Canada. Compared to Larry Holmes? They're bigger than Holmes. It's not hard to be bigger than Holmes.

[lparm]

Yeah Nike is huge and more well known than Mayweather and GBP but Nike doesn't = Pac. Nike is a brand seperate from Pac. They just sponsor him. By your logic, everyone who knows Nike must know Pac and all others who are under the brand. Well I could only name a handful of athletes I know that are sponsored by Nike and I know them because I watch them, not because they wear Nike. I know Federer and Nadal and Serena Williams because I love tennis, me knowing they are affiliated with Nike is just a fact I know about them.

Not everyone knows Manny but having a global powerhouse brand putting your face on billboards and commercials in countries around the world helps.

I bet mayweather promotions has Floyd posters all over Asia, south America and Africa because Floyd is a huge international star, right?

[D-MiZe]

I'm in Ireland. I'm saying Wlad and Vitali are extremely well known across Europe, so the claim that few people know who they are is ridiculous. They're huge in Europe and have strong ground in other countries.

And compared to what other heavyweight champions? Compared to Ali? Compared to Tyson? Yeah sure not many athletes in general come close to that level of popularity. But compared to Lewis? Aside from being known as the guy who beat Tyson, Lewis didn't have a good following in the US, and while he was very big in the UK, he wasn't liked until he retired, and didn't have much ground outside the country aside from maybe in Canada. Compared to Larry Holmes? They're bigger than Holmes. It's not hard to be bigger than Holmes.

Europe is but a tiny portion of the population that resides on this 'ere planet and for a heavyweight champion as dominant as they have been, their reputation is poor.

[craigus1990]

I want to go on record and say that I though a Lebron was a French car.

Thank you for providing this list apparently craigus thinks all U.S. athletes are global megastars and no one from outside of this country can have fame.

Well I am from the UK for starters so I take nothing from USA athletes. I am simply using statistical data to see what countries search the names of Pac and May and the data said Mayweather was searched in a broader spectrum of countries. If you have a problem with the data then talk to google. But instead of just saying "I think this guy is more well known globally" without looking at data is just assertions. If the data said Pac I would concede Pac but it doesn't it says Mayweather. I can't change that and neither can you.

[lparm]

Well I am from the UK for starters so I take nothing from USA athletes. I am simply using statistical data to see what countries search the names of Pac and May and the data said Mayweather was searched in a broader spectrum of countries. If you have a problem with the data then talk to google. But instead of just saying "I think this guy is more well known globally" without looking at data is just assertions. If the data said Pac I would concede Pac but it doesn't it says Mayweather. I can't change that and neither can you.

The problem with data is that it can show a bias. For example if you look at one of my earlier posts the most "trendy" person in the world is Justin Biebers photographer. Now does that mean you, me or 100 million random people know who that clown is? No but someone has decided to provide data showing that dude is mad popular.

Don't put all of your faith in statistics.

[croz]

Europe is but a tiny portion of the population that resides on this 'ere planet and for a heavyweight champion as dominant as they have been, their reputation is poor.

Population of Europe 740 million (seriously how the **** is that a tiny portion?)
Population of US 313 million (now that's a tiny portion)

For ****s and giggles lets throw in two other boxing mad countries like Mexico and the Philippines where there's a good chance they're known and we have another 200 million people. We could also throw in the fact that there are an estimated 50 million boxing fans in the US and 16 million AVID boxing fans who follow the sport religiously according to a recent study. If they're avid boxing fans we can assume they know who the HW champ is so that's another 16 million in the US.

[craigus1990]

The problem with data is that it can show a bias. For example if you look at one of my earlier posts the most "trendy" person in the world is Justin Biebers photographer. Now does that mean you, me or 100 million random people know who that clown is? No but someone has decided to provide data showing that dude is mad popular.

Don't put all of your faith in statistics.

The data is not bias, the data is merely data. Are you saying google make up their data to suit their agenda? That would be insane. The data is there to be searched and used however you want. The person who interprets it can be bias but I am just giving you the exact readings from google trends. Someone asserted in this thread that Manny is more widely recognized on a global scale so I thought I would see if he was right or wrong and the data shows he was wrong as there are more countries that search Mayweathers name into google. Now this data only accounts for google searches but it is the only data I could quickly and easily get access to. So I just used it and pointed out his assertion was most likely not true. Then you came in saying that Manny is more popular because of Nike and we can throw google trends out. Well you can only say that if you have something to back it up with that isn't just you guessing and you don't. It is that simple. I have no agenda here, I just provided some data.

[lparm]

The data is not bias, the data is merely data. Are you saying google make up their data to suit their agenda? That would be insane. The data is there to be searched and used however you want. The person who interprets it can be bias but I am just giving you the exact readings from google trends. Someone asserted in this thread that Manny is more widely recognized on a global scale so I thought I would see if he was right or wrong and the data shows he was wrong as there are more countries that search Mayweathers name into google. Now this data only accounts for google searches but it is the only data I could quickly and easily get access to. So I just used it and pointed out his assertion was most likely not true. Then you came in saying that Manny is more popular because of Nike and we can throw google trends out. Well you can only say that if you have something to back it up with that isn't just you guessing and you don't. It is that simple. I have no agenda here, I just provided some data.

Fair enough I understand you want for prove that Manny is an unknown outside the boxing community. There's no hidden agenda there.

But I'm a reasonable guy and will leave you be. Gift in the mail soon.

[craigus1990]

Fair enough I understand you want for prove that Manny is an unknown outside the boxing community. There's no hidden agenda there.

But I'm a reasonable guy and will leave you be. Gift in the mail soon.

Now you are putting words into my mouth. I stated already that someone asserted they thought Manny was more widely known throughout the world. So I thought I would check some data to see if that was true or false. The data said false. I don't know what else I can do or say. When people claim things, I like to see if their claims hold weight. In this instance his claim didn't hold any.

[D-MiZe]

Population of Europe 740 million (seriously how the **** is that a tiny portion?)
Population of US 313 million (now that's a tiny portion)

For ****s and giggles lets throw in two other boxing mad countries like Mexico and the Philippines where there's a good chance they're known and we have another 200 million people. We could also throw in the fact that there are an estimated 50 million boxing fans in the US and 16 million AVID boxing fans who follow the sport religiously according to a recent study. If they're avid boxing fans we can assume they know who the HW champ is so that's another 16 million in the US.

There are single countries with a bigger population than Europe.

You're wasting your time being so pedantic, I'm sure you understand what I meant when I said that the heavyweight champion is normally well known. It's by far the most famous division in the sport, such a dominant champion would normally be as big a star as Mayweather or Pacman.

Just because they box on the European continent doesn't mean they're well known in it. I have friends who know Mayweather & Pac, they're the dominant superstars of this sport and they don't know either Klitschko. Haye talking all that shit about being the saviour of the division certainly boosted their awareness over here.