How many of you think that Angulo quit

[BennyST]

We're just talking semantics.

Ducketts is using the classic boxing version of 'quitting a fight' as such.

In actual fact, Angulo quit the fight. Angulo did quit in practical terms if you will, but in boxing terms, he did not quit. He had to pull himself out because of severe danger and agony from a broken orbital bone.

In the classic boxing way, he didn't quit the fight. He was forced to pull out and there is a difference.

As Duckette's says, Duran quit a fight that was even on the scorecards and he wasn't taking punishment in or hurt at all etc etc. Angulo pulled out due to a sudden, severe injury that resulted in him having no choice.

This is different even than Margarito or Lebedev even. Swelling or a cracked bone can sometimes be painful, but not agonising.

Clearly, Angulo's was instant, agonising, must stop pain or danger. His vision might have suddenly disappeared with a popping in his head a suden, brutal, hideous pain....that can differ greatly from a swollen eye or even another lesser fracture.

It all depends. Either way, in the typical boxing lingo, he didn't 'quit'.

[BennyST]

Just curious....for those who find it acceptable/justified that angulo quit, do you feel the same way with cotto?

Also, if youbdont feel the same way, please state your nationality

(To be clear, I feel Angelo was justified/acceptable)

Same way with Cotto what? Taking a knee against Margarito?

[mrlopez]

he didn't quit.... he ate those punches all night.... the thumb caught him.... and he did a devon alexander....

it wasn't some victor ortiz ****.....

any time you turn your back on an opponent, youre basically quitting. i dont blame him tho, that left eye looked nasty. and it was NOT caused by a thumb, he got punched all night right there

[~AK49~]

Same way with Cotto what? Taking a knee against Margarito?

What do you think? Quitting.

Angulo quit. He turned his back and didn't want to take another punch. Justified or not, he quit. Cotto didn't have anything left to give and was just getting plastered up, or plaster aside, was just taking a beating. He didn't have anything left to give, didn't want to take more punishment, and quit.

So...what's the difference between taking a knee/quitting and turning your back and walking away/quitting? (Besides the obvious difference of Mexican/Puerto Rican )

[Frank Ducketts]

I see what you are saying Duran literally gave up as opposed to Angulo submitting to injury. You are right, I was wrong in that sense...point taken. When I interjected "Duran" it was purely in the sense of turning his back and saying "no mas".

But my broader point is that precedence has been set in the way of Paulie and Margarito and the end result was different. Paulie lived to fight again where as that was the nail in Margo's career (see Cotto fight). Given a 50/50 proposition like that I understand Angulo choosing to no longer continue.

Look, this is a gladiator sport. Part of the reason I admire fighters and love the sport is because I can't put myself though a 6 week camp the way these guys do. Physically, mentally, nutritionally, and personally they sacrifice in every way then step onto a stage and literally fight. (Except PED abusers) I can probably only take a tenth of the punishment Angulo took before crying uncle...I get it.

But let's take this back to Angulo. He is neither skillful nor fast. All he does is come forward, take punishment and eat punches. He's a tank and relentless. That's all good and fine but if you dont have skill, don't have speed, don't defend yourself and all you have is a chin and heart. You can't get mad at being labeled a quitter because if you choose to not finish a fight (injury or not) then you still have a chin but what's that say about your heart?

Good post. Well said.

[THE REED]

I don't think he quit... he did quit.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think he quit... he did quit.

Sometimes, I just can't help but be baffled.

The guy quite clearly opted to stop fighting before the fight was stopped or ended.

Pretty black and white if you ask me.

[Frank Ducketts]

Same way with Cotto what? Taking a knee against Margarito?

Cotto had enough. He knew that his body was in danger, took a knee and his uncle stopped the fight. There are fighters here who have died, or left the game with severe injuries....yet some of them are said to have quit in fights. Boxing is the only sport where you can save yourself from injury, and people still believe that you quit. Even with good reason. These people find it hard to use another word other than quit.

[pistol whip]

Just curious....for those who find it acceptable/justified that angulo quit, do you feel the same way with cotto?

Also, if youbdont feel the same way, please state your nationality

(To be clear, I feel Angelo was justified/acceptable)

Im Mexican American and not for one second do i consider Cotto a quitter in anyway shape or form. He took a major beating. He knows his body and he had everyright to call a halt to the punishment he was taking.

[pistol whip]

Sometimes, I just can't help but be baffled.

The guy quite clearly opted to stop fighting before the fight was stopped or ended.

Pretty black and white if you ask me.

Yeah but the way you word it makes it seem like he was perfectly ok and hadn't suffered an injury in anyway shape or form which of course is complete billlsheeet!!!