Comments Thread For: BoxingScene Update: Pound for Pound List and Review

[MR PUNCHOUT]

I don't understand how some people on here agree with ward being number 1 over mayweather? May has been in the game longer then ward and has almost double the victorys/ko's then ward! Absolutely a ridiculous list!

[Ichee]

He was winning? you make it sound like he was getting outclassed before being knocked out. Anyone can get caught with a shot and we're not talking some scrub who stopped him, we're talking about an atg fighter in Marquez.

Pacquiao's ranking deserves to take a hit, but not the whole way off the list.

This happened in the 6th round, Pacquiao wasn't winning more than three rounds at the time. You need to answer my question though, what great fighter have been taken out the way he did and still be recognized in his current era P4P?

Can;t be that illogical if he is still in every decent p4p list. You run some blog called the Logic of Boxing?

Pacquiao inclusion on most of the media's P4P list is merely the work of popularity.

[T18Z]

This happened in the 6th round, Pacquiao wasn't winning more than three rounds at the time. You need to answer my question though, what great fighter have been taken out the way he did and still be recognized in his current era P4P?

Pacquiao inclusion on most of the media's P4P list is merely the work of popularity.

Pacquaio was winning more than three rounds at the time, even up until he got knocked down in the 3rd he was also winning that around.

To answer your dumb question, boxing isn't the same as it used to be so stop trying to compare it. If Pacquaio lost to KO vs a bum like Tyson lost to buster then he wouldn't be on the ranking.

Instead he lost to Marquez, who is known for giving the guy trouble, and is a top P4P fighter, that's the point, get it through your thick ****ing skull, losing to a fighter who is highly rated, a future hall of famer and in the lower end of the P4P rankings does not get you thrown off the list unless you were already in the 7/8/9/10th place, which Manny wasn't.

Pacquiao inclusion on most of the media's P4P list is merely the work of popularity.

Sure thing bro, keep telling yourself that.

[IronDanHamza]

Everyone has their opinion on it but I don't agree with Iron Dan's notion of totally writing the win off and saying Ward hasn't done anything at all.

The question is whether beating a prime potentially drained Dawson at 168 is better than beating a shot war-torn Cotto at 154 where he has never looked good.

Neither win is spectacular but I don't buy the idea than one is better than the other. If you can write one off, you can write the other off too imo.

I don't see how there's any "potentially" about it.

It's clear as the eye can see that Dawson was obviously a dead man in there and the logic of it is not hard to understand.

Cotto was a solid win, not great but not terrible or worthless either like Dawson was for Ward.

Plus, It can't be that bad in your eyes because you said Mayweather would never fight Cotto just before the fight was signed.

[IronDanHamza]

He beat the best guy from the division above. You can say he was drained or whatever, but you can also say that Cotto was shot and Guerrero sucks.

The difference would be the first one is the truth.

The second and third ones, are not.

[IronDanHamza]

stopping even a "drained" Dawson> Otiz, Cotto, Guerrero

No, it's really not.

It's not better than any of those wins.

It's literally worthless.

[D-MiZe]

Woah, people actually rate Ward's win over Dawson?

That's hilarious but at the same time quite depressing, I thought NSB was starting to clear up...

I don't really with Froch's inclusion and Ward's too high for me, but as SMW was once the strongest division in boxing and Ward easily proved himself the best, I can see why.

Froch is #5?

That is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Seems like author is including popularity into the ranking criteria.

[LELBRON]

Any p4p list or divisional rankings that is constructed by only ONE GUY is not a valid ranking. Sorry Cliff.

The only credible p4p list OR divisional rankings that i've seen recently are the transnational boxing board's due to the sheer size as well as credentials of their ratings panel.

And Andre Ward being rated @ #1 is an absolute fucking joke!

[Hitman Hodgson]

Ward shouldn't be number 1 due lack of activity more than anything. Froch is about 3 or 4 places too high, and Bradley should be in instead of Pac.

[Ichee]

Pacquaio was winning more than three rounds at the time, even up until he got knocked down in the 3rd he was also winning that around.

Actually the first two rounds were pretty much swing rounds, I remember being very much frustrated with Pacquiao for not going on the attack more around these rounds because of how slow Marquez was. I scored one round for Pacquiao and the other for Marquez, Pacquiao started more activity in the third round until he got knocked down. After that I say he took rounds 4 and 5 and the sixth could had been his but the fight was ultimately determined by a counter shot.

To answer your dumb question, boxing isn't the same as it used to be so stop trying to compare it. If Pacquaio lost to KO vs a bum like Tyson lost to buster then he wouldn't be on the ranking.

Is your name The Weebler III, if not you can kindly remove your consumption devices from my genitalia, you don't have answer my "dumb question" as it was not your birth right to answer. If you are The Weebler III man then I understand, but next time let the guy fight his own battles. Your response however is not very concrete, even though Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, he was not put to concussive sleep. As much as it pained me to witness, Pacquiao had to have smelling salts and support from others to bring himself to his feet. Also using Tyson as a reference for an ATG fighter is not very correct(It's still being debated whether he should considered one), as when he was faced with bigger challenges than ordinary joes, he lost. The ATG's have never been put to sleep on the canvas like that and they faced many of their rivals who's skill wasn't entirely far from theirs.

Instead he lost to Marquez, who is known for giving the guy trouble, and is a top P4P fighter, that's the point, get it through your thick ****ing skull, losing to a fighter who is highly rated, a future hall of famer and in the lower end of the P4P rankings does not get you thrown off the list unless you were already in the 7/8/9/10th place, which Manny wasn't.

Why do you have to use such emotion and words like a female that needs to douche the bad smell from her crouch? My whole argument is not who you to lose to, it's HOW you lose. If memory serves me right Pacquiao have knocked out by lesser opponents, although early in his career, we are now late in his career and he have been knocked out again via worse because this time this was a concussive blow to the skull. DO you understand that in the history of the sport that no fighter stayed on the P4P list after getting knocked out like he did... When Hearns did that to Duran, he was off the list as quick as he hit the canvass.

Sure thing bro, keep telling yourself that.

Bro, why are you so bent out of shape? You are honestly debating out of emotion and not being considerate to your reasoning abilities.

That is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Seems like author is including popularity into the ranking criteria.

I believe this is the case as well, although this site features a lot of traffic many people here do not seem to use reason at all. Even the site creator have a certain bias.. I do not believe Pacquiao due to how he lost still have a right to be on the P4P list. It's absurd for any of the fighters on the list to be taken out like that and still be on the list. Ward's inactivity shouldn't fault him as much but he definitely do not deserve the top spot or the runner up position.

My P4P list have to look like this:

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Ward
4. Klitchscho
5. Rigondeaux
6. Bradley
7. Mares
8. Froch
9. Donaire
10. Garcia

Any p4p list or divisional rankings that is constructed by only ONE GUY is not a valid ranking. Sorry Cliff.

The only credible p4p list OR divisional rankings that i've seen recently are the transnational boxing board's due to the sheer size as well as credentials of their ratings panel.

And Andre Ward being rated @ #1 is an absolute fucking joke!

So this list is only put together by one person, makes sense that there will be much bias throughout it. I would check out that transnational boxing board and give my opinion on it, just hope Mayweather is actually #1 on that list. Ward was pretty close to the top spot in 2012 but so far in 2013 he is not actually runner-up in my opinion. Marquez and Mayweather should be the ones to hold those positions.

Ward shouldn't be number 1 due lack of activity more than anything. Froch is about 3 or 4 places too high, and Bradley should be in instead of Pac.

This I agree with completely.