Ring Magazine still not put froch on the P4P list

[craigus1990]

A) All I have said is I personally think Dirrell won the fight, I am not stating this as fact I am merely pointing out that it was a close fight and some people think Froch won and some people think Dirrell won, my original point being that his resume ain't great when it is full of close fights against guys the top 10 P4P should be beating without dispute. B) Froch was wrestling and rabbit punching all night, he is/was and always will be a dirty fighter, he uses roughhouse tactics, that's just his style. And C) My opinion holds no more or less weight than anybody elses and I am not asserting it does, I am just stating my opinion in a thread about the subject of which we are talking about in a public forum so if you don't like it, I suggest you go cry about it instead of calling someone obese without actually knowing if they are or are not.
Okay so he wasn't getting schooled by Taylor... so what? He was still losing up until the 12th round, my original point did not include the scoring of the 12th, I was saying that up to that point he was losing which again supports the argument he is not top 10 P4P because the top ten P4P guys would not have been trailing against Taylor going into the final round.
This is not a did Froch win or did Froch lose thread, this is a does his skillset put him in the top 10 P4P thread and I have used his struggles against guys like Taylor and Dirrell as factors to display that his skills are not quite as good as the top guys.

[Jordank]

Froch is not a top ten fighter

[Mr. Philadel]

After seeing the post you made in that thread that just got deleted, I'd say don't throw stones in glass houses.

damn... it sounds like I missed something!!

FD you gotta chill out sometimes bro....some battles aint worth fighting my dude!!

as for Froch not being ranked by the Ring...thats just flat out ******....Froch is EASILY one of the 6 or 7 best fighters today....I would even listen to a good argument for him being top 5....the Ring been lost credibility though....can't take them serious anymore!!!

[piye]

Mother **** the ring.

[Mr. Philadel]

Froch is not a top ten fighter

you're not a top 1000 poster

[Money_May]

Ridiculous, what does a fighter have to do? Broner on the P4P list makes me puke. Canelo also bumrushed in on the back of just one good victory.

[bojangles1987]

Is Rigo even on it yet?

Lumping ridiculous, Broner and Ginger, but no Carl Froch. How can that be taken seriously?

[bojangles1987]

People here going on about whether he has done enough? Newsflash, P4P is not about resume, it is about who would win in fantasy matches. Wards complete dominance of him shows he is not on the same skill level as the top guys. In fantasy match ups he would lose to guys like Mayweather, Ward, Marquez, Rigo, Wlad, Mares, Pacquiao, Broner, Alvarez, Hopkins, Matthysse and others. As soon as he meets someone who has a bit of intellect and the skills to implement a decent game plan then he loses every time. He is a warrior yes but P4P material, no. Let's be honest with ourselves, who has he really beat? A Kessler on the verge of retirement after already losing to him before, a Bute *who is/was a guy who made a living off of fighting bums and has beens, Glen 'the oldest man alive' Johnson, Arthur Abraham *see Bute, Andre Direll a guy who people think may have won the fight and has since done nothing in his career, Jermain 'I get knocked out by everybody' Taylor (who he was getting his ass kicked by), Jean 'B-' Pascal and to top it off a resounding loss to S.O.G. I'm sorry as loved as Carl is, he really is not good enough to mix it with the P4P guys.

How do you prove how good a fighter you are? BY WINNING FIGHTS.

Very few have had recent success in the ring like Carl Froch has. To leave him off the list even now is plain bias, and there is absolutely no other reason.

[bojangles1987]

Broner doesn't deserve to be mentioned with the other guys here. He has two questionable decisions over fighters inferior to Froch.

And Alvarez has a questionable decision over Trout in his last lumping fight.

[Rapid Counter]

same q for you. who's higher p4p, froch or russell jr?

I would have to say Froch because of who he has fought. Russell is untested but his skill level seems to me on a different level to Froch but then its against limited opposition so its hard to say. You're supposed to look good against that level of comp.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would put Froch on the p4p list after winning a close decision against a guy he was supposed to beat easily. Nobody gave Kessler a chance.

Anyway, why are you asking about Gary Russell Jr?