Floyd & 154 & Politics

[HeroBando]

You don't actually believe Mayweather was 165 on fight night do you? and where is Marquez' source for this?

Nobody has a source, since Floyd again passed on same day weighin, but who's more qualified than the guy that was in the ring with him?

Of course I don't believe him, just like I don't believe Floyd was 3lbs heavier than Marquez.

[bravestone]

Nobody has a source, since Floyd again passed on same day weighin, but who's more qualified than the guy that was in the ring with him?

Of course I don't believe him, just like I don't believe Floyd was 3lbs heavier than Marquez.

Just because you're in the ring with a fighter doesn't mean you're all of a sudden one of those carnival guessing weight expert. I don't agree Mayweather was only 3 lbs either. He looked about 153 and Marquez maybe 146.

[bravestone]

Yeah, even Oscar is coming out publicly expressing confidence, and he hadn't really said one peep about it. Mares next couple opponents are probably going to be a little disappointing. The fights are with Top Rank, and LSC and Russell Jr aren't any more ready than they were a couple weeks ago. Year-plus off. John will never happen, and that's some **** too.

John is pissing me off really bad now. This is Ottke level BS he is pulling right now.

Has he said anything?

[bluebeam]

I disagree with your Mayweather vs Marquez comment, Mayweather came in over the weight limit and fought a Marquez which had never fought at 147. It was a mismatch from the get go and Marquez paid for it. I think the "new" Marquez gives Floyd a better fight but still loses. Let's not forget Marquez was getting rocked by Pacquiao in the 4th fight. He wasn't brilliant, his one counter was though.

As for Floyd, I don't like the guy. At the same time 154 isn't his weight class. Problem is, like always he twists things when convenient to him. So if he knows he can beat a guy at 154, he'll fight at 154 and then brag about it. If he thinks he's it's too much of a disadvantage he'll argue it's not his weight class. His team is king at manipulating facts to his advantage. Always have and always will.

Reality is, Pacquiao is the only legitimate fight for him at 147. I doubt he loses to Canelo at 154, only factor against him is his weight disadvantage and the fact Canelo is a good fighter. But Canelo is nowhere near Floyd's level.

As much as I don't like Mayweather's attitude, at the moment there is nobody at 147 besides Pacquiao who I see giving him problems. Maybe Matthysse after a couple more fights, maybe.

So when Duran went from 135 to 147 to fight sugar ray Leonard was it a mismatch? When Shane Mosley went from 135 to 147 to fight DE lay hoya was that a mismatch. When Hopkins went from 160 to 175 to fight tarver was that a mismatch? But when Marquez does it, it's a mismatch.

[Bushbaby]

I feel you on the skill size I think he still wins and wants him to fight him but even though Marquez jumped up 2 weight classes on fight night him and floyd were only about 3 pounds different. But I get what you mean I want him to take the fight to simply show you know what I'm so good I can beat this guy who outweighs me by 22 pounds and is 14 years younger than me.

Floyd didn't use a weight advantage against Marquez and we know he didn't outweigh by lbs or more like Canelo would have on him. Weight would play more of a factor in that fight.

Neither 1 of you know how much weight advantage Floyd had over Marquez, here's why. Floyd refused a fight night weight for that fight. None of your opinions on the matter hold weight cause there is no fight night weight to be had. And the lie Floyd's team said that he weighted less on fight night is even more preposterous.

Only 3 lb's different on fight night?? I don't believe you, show me proof please.

[HeroBando]

Neither 1 of you know how much weight advantage Floyd had over Marquez, here's why. Floyd refused a fight night weight for that fight. None of your opinions on the matter hold weight cause there is no fight night weight to be had. And the lie Floyd's team said that he weighted less on fight night is even more preposterous.

Only 3 lb's different on fight night?? I don't believe you, show me proof please.

Not only that, Floyd has passed on fight night weighin for 4 out of 5 fights since the vacation

[Hands of Iron]

John is pissing me off really bad now. This is Ottke level BS he is pulling right now.

Has he said anything?

Not a damn thing. They should at least attempt to make it worth his while as the big co-main of a Mayweather PPV event for their guy to keep his streak of top opposition rolling. Mares isn't required to fight Robinson Castellanos next.

[bray26]

They will fight at 154; but who's a challenge and why

I think Canelo at 154 is a challenge because a guy with size, that can pressure Floyd will bother him, and force him to fight a less comfortable fight than he's used to. And if there is a blueprint to beat him, I think its sustained aggressive pressure from a lager fighter that he can't control distance on. I'm one that says I'm happy he never fought Margarito because of the whole plaster thing but the reason his camp turned that fight down was margarito's pressure, chin, and reach! Same things Canelo could use against him if they fight, plus the kid brings a decent skill set

147 Pac is a challenge, because of shear hand speed and punching power. Cotto proved Floyd can be touched and hit cleanly! Floyd showed in his last fight he will concentrate more on defense than he did in Cotto fight but I think Pac could touch him and make him pay when he does!

I just don't want to see him in with Alexander or Khan, especially not Khan.

[viperz007]

because haterz thought canelo would land a haymaker

how many percent of chance would a power punch land on a running backward elbow rowl defense opponent???

are we talking about 1%?

now when that 1% punch land
take away 50% of that force because the target is moving away from that force

result is = 1% chance floyd gets KTFO
lets then say canelo 1% chance of winning

haterz= will have 99% chance of having another bad night

[The Big Dunn]

There are too many excuses for why the supposed pfp king can't fight a champ in at weight class he is a 2 time champ in. I'd understand if he wasn't touted as "the greatest fighter" of a generation. But I don't think "greatest fighter/pfp king" and cherrypicking and ducking really go together. Just doesn't compute to me.

Then stop the ducking/cherrypicking silliness. Its only because you don't like a fighter after he earns his way to the top, and therefore picks amongst all the opponents calling him out, that you start with the silliness.

If floyd was any other fighter you'd be celebrating winning 2 titles at 154 as a smaller fighter, rather than post after post about a fight thats being negotiated and pre determining how you will udge only one of the fighters involved in the negotiation should the fight not get made.