Floyd & 154 & Politics

[sampsonsimpson]

Do you know how much Floyd weighed? No you don't, so he could be weighed anything but since he says he never balloons up, that's fact, right? Man please. Skip the fact that the man came up two weight classes to begin with. When Floyd has all the advantages it's acceptable but when one thing goes against he has every excuse from his fans not to fight. It's comical

look at his 30 day weigh in weights and tell me that floyd balloons up on fight night ... at 30 days out against guerrero floyd was 148, but im supposed to believe that hes 160+ on fight nights? cmon son

I think Canelo at 154 is a challenge because a guy with size, that can pressure Floyd will bother him, and force him to fight a less comfortable fight than he's used to. And if there is a blueprint to beat him, I think its sustained aggressive pressure from a lager fighter that he can't control distance on. I'm one that says I'm happy he never fought Margarito because of the whole plaster thing but the reason his camp turned that fight down was margarito's pressure, chin, and reach! Same things Canelo could use against him if they fight, plus the kid brings a decent skill set

147 Pac is a challenge, because of shear hand speed and punching power. Cotto proved Floyd can be touched and hit cleanly! Floyd showed in his last fight he will concentrate more on defense than he did in Cotto fight but I think Pac could touch him and make him pay when he does!

I just don't want to see him in with Alexander or Khan, especially not Khan.

mayweather is taller than canelo and has a longer reach ... also, canelo is not a pressure fighter (he has serious stamina issues) and his chin is completely untested

[Outwest Exp 355]

look at his 30 day weigh in weights and tell me that floyd balloons up on fight night ... at 30 days out against guerrero floyd was 148, but im supposed to believe that hes 160+ on fight nights? cmon son



mayweather is taller than canelo and has a longer reach ... also, canelo is not a pressure fighter (he has serious stamina issues) and his chin is completely untested

You must have an IQ of a 160 Gump.

[tokon]

So I keep hearing people talk about how Floyd would be a duck if he didn't fight canelo, but if people were honest with themselves no one really thinks canelo is anywhere near floyds skill level, they only want the fight because he will outweigh floyd by almost 25 pounds. And as much as people hate Floyd deep down that shows how great he really is in their eyes. No other boxer p4p fighter now or ever is held to the same standard period.

Now with Canelo people give this guy to many passes. The only 154 pound fighter he has fought is trout. While a great win styles make fights. That's why when people say well Marquez got whooped by Floyd and Floyd whooped Marquez so he doesn't have to fight Pac it's bs. While I don't think Floyd ducked Manny, and it has lost some luster, it still makes for a great fight

Now my finally thoughts Canelo needs to play his position to many boxers now days are getting the easy route, love of hate floyd he earned his dues and when he fought Oscar he gave in to ever single demand, and that's the only reason he fought at 154. And the cotto fight was an example of a ww fighting another ww at 154 and Floyd knew this, but by no means does cotto belong at 154, I mean seriously imagine cotto fighting a guy like Angulo. Floyd even gave in to gatti demands to get the fight as well. Now days guys like Khan, Broner, Canelo, are calling all the shots on big fights and hasn't done much in the sport but bring money and it's sad because to many guys work there a$$ off to get to that position and politics keeps them from that spot.

good post.

[tokon]

Stop using logic it's not allowed around here. I think Floyd should and will fight Canelo @154 so there won't be excuses.

haha good post and very true - particularly regarding floyd, pac, recently matthysse, or whoever gets to be "flavour of the month/year/decade" here.

[tokon]

Floyd should fight Canelo at 154. If he wants to have a re hydration clause that says Canelo can't be over 170 or something, I'm cool with that.

i don't agree with any "clauses". whilst i also don't think that floyd should (or will) be pressured into taking the fight with alvarez - although i do suspect he will take it because he wants it - i also don't think catchweights/rehydration clauses etc are right either. these, in my opinion, tainted pacquiao's fights with cotto and margarito. either take the fight at the weight limit or don't. if the opponent makes the weight limit at the weigh-in then he's a welter/light-middle/whatever limit he has made. simple.

[bray26]

look at his 30 day weigh in weights and tell me that floyd balloons up on fight night ... at 30 days out against guerrero floyd was 148, but im supposed to believe that hes 160+ on fight nights? cmon son



mayweather is taller than canelo and has a longer reach ... also, canelo is not a pressure fighter (he has serious stamina issues) and his chin is completely untested

I can see what youre reaching for, but let me be clearer! i was talking about Margarito's advantages. AND Canelo has a decent chin that's been hit by harder punchers than Floyd, and that he can apply pressure! He's not the pressure fighter all the time that Margarito was, put when formulating a fight plan for this particular fight, I'm sure his camp will want him to apply intelligent pressure on Floyd. Cut off the ring and stay close, closing the distance and attacking often! The fact that Floyd has a height and reach advantage only bolsters the fact that this is a fight that he has no excuse not to take! But for his fans, the weight seems to be too much of a disadvantage to Floyd

[bray26]

look at his 30 day weigh in weights and tell me that floyd balloons up on fight night ... at 30 days out against guerrero floyd was 148, but im supposed to believe that hes 160+ on fight nights? cmon son



mayweather is taller than canelo and has a longer reach ... also, canelo is not a pressure fighter (he has serious stamina issues) and his chin is completely untested

Forgot the weight thing. Marquez came up two divisions to fight Floyd! Meaning he had to gain weight to even get there. He looked out of shape and slow! He didn't gain any extra weight or rehydrate because he had already tapped out! Floyd missed weight and rehydrated as he normally does! I don't mean ballon like he weighed 170 fight night but if you don't think he had a significant size and weight advantage that night over Marquez, you are lying to yourself!

[Bushbaby]

Then stop the ducking/cherrypicking silliness. Its only because you don't like a fighter after he earns his way to the top, and therefore picks amongst all the opponents calling him out, that you start with the silliness.

If floyd was any other fighter you'd be celebrating winning 2 titles at 154 as a smaller fighter, rather than post after post about a fight thats being negotiated and pre determining how you will udge only one of the fighters involved in the negotiation should the fight not get made.

It's clear you have no idea what my post said. So just quit quoting me bro, for real. Please don't even begin to assume what i'd say about "any other fighter", cause the fact is you don't know.

To even read my post and come back with "then please stop the ducking cherrypicking silliness", proves you didn't understand what you read.

[LeonardEllerbe]

Shut Up BushBaby. How hurt are you that my Prince has dominated boxing for 17 years huh? Canelo is a nobody he's just a Irish slugger. Prince will dismantle him and 12-0 him. Lil Haters keep on hating as we keep on winning. 44-0 and still rising.

[Goldie]

I can see what youre reaching for, but let me be clearer! i was talking about Margarito's advantages. AND Canelo has a decent chin that's been hit by harder punchers than Floyd, and that he can apply pressure! He's not the pressure fighter all the time that Margarito was, put when formulating a fight plan for this particular fight, I'm sure his camp will want him to apply intelligent pressure on Floyd. Cut off the ring and stay close, closing the distance and attacking often! The fact that Floyd has a height and reach advantage only bolsters the fact that this is a fight that he has no excuse not to take! But for his fans, the weight seems to be too much of a disadvantage to Floyd

You're hoping and wishing. You people want Mayweather to lose so bad that you'll pump up anybody who is potentially a threat. Canelo is not a pressure fighter. His stamina issues are well known. He was visibly fatigued in the fight with Trout while only throwing 36 punches per round. He hasn't shown anything that would make a reasonable fan think that he will be able to chase Mayweather around the ring pressuring him for 12 rounds. The only reason that you're hyping up Canelo as if Floyd has to fight him to prove himself is because he's clearly bigger and stronger. Skill wise, he's not seeing Mayweather and you know it.

What you need to understand is that it's not up to the fans as far as what Mayweather does or doesn't do. If Floyd wants to take the fight he'll take it, if he doesn't he won't. The size difference may be an issue to Floyd or it might not be, soon we'll all find out. You seem to be irritated that some fans understand why the size/weight difference might be an issue for Mayweather.