Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Should Floyd Face the Best of 154, 160?

[DLT]

He also didn't start fighting at the full 154 pound limit until he fought Baldomir. He was always in between. That was in 2010.

what are you spreaking of here exactly?

nevermind. youre talking about Canelo. I thought you meant Floyd

[Bigg Rigg]

what are you spreaking of here exactly?

nevermind. youre talking about Canelo. I thought you meant Floyd

You said something about guys moving up and I stated that Canelo wasn't always a full blown jr mw.

[DLT]

All in all fellas it was a good debate but Its 4:20 where Im at (no jokes) and its 5:20 where Im from so Im about to go to bed. Always good to talk boxing and there aint nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion as long as you can state your case without disrespecting somone. Its all good and I understand where most of you are coming from. We all wanna see the best or most exciting fights.

I just feel though that some wanna see some guys lose or they just dont care about the risk because its not them but if you be real to yourself about the weight, its not a black & white thing. Most fights arent a 21 pound diffeence and the one's that are usually end up with the smaller man getting his asz lit up

[peplz]

Floyd Mayweather is the best. Journalists spending time and energy writing articles about who he coulda shoulda woulda fought and changing weight divisions only further prove that they see him as the best. Criticism and praise are interchangeable. And I find it really interesting that the title the of article speaks to the true intent of the article itself but when the writer speaks directly to his own point he added style to size as being the advantage that such prospective opponents would have over him. But we all know that size is the only advantage that he was really talking about because this is the last possible option for any opponent that might be able to beat Mayweather. Maybe Duane Wade, Chris Bosh and Lebron James should have to play 3 on 5's in the finals too. Fighting a long list of bigger opponents would only prove that he is dumb enough to try to impress people that hate him.

[Bigg Rigg]

Floyd Mayweather is the best. Journalists spending time and energy writing articles about who he coulda shoulda woulda fought and changing weight divisions only further prove that they see him as the best. Criticism and praise are interchangeable. And I find it really interesting that the title the of article speaks to the true intent of the article itself but when the writer speaks directly to his own point he added style to size as being the advantage that such prospective opponents would have over him. But we all know that size is the only advantage that he was really talking about because this is the last possible option for any opponent that might be able to beat Mayweather. Maybe Duane Wade, Chris Bosh and Lebron James should have to play 3 on 5's in the finals too. Fighting a long list of bigger opponents would only prove that he is dumb enough to try to impress people that hate him.

I don't hate him but I would be more impressed if he fought Canelo over Devon. And the Miami thing doesn't work cuz they lost in the finals their first year together. Floyd's never lost. Maybe if the heat win 5 in a row we can start talking about 5 vs 3.

[Bigg Rigg]

All in all fellas it was a good debate but Its 4:20 where Im at (no jokes) and its 5:20 where Im from so Im about to go to bed. Always good to talk boxing and there aint nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion as long as you can state your case without disrespecting somone. Its all good and I understand where most of you are coming from. We all wanna see the best or most exciting fights.

I just feel though that some wanna see some guys lose or they just dont care about the risk because its not them but if you be real to yourself about the weight, its not a black & white thing. Most fights arent a 21 pound diffeence and the one's that are usually end up with the smaller man getting his asz lit up

Good stuff, let's see what happens. All I know is if Floyd doesn't fight Canelo and goes after Devon, I'm ordering it still but your paying the $70 bill. Well exchange info another time so that can be arranged. Lol

[techliam]

How can you say that about a guy who has titles in 5 weight divisions and has always been P4P the smallest or one of the smallest guys in boxing?

You act like Floyd started at WW. He's fought in 5 divisions. You got Froch in your avy. How many has he fought in? Why didnt he dare to be great? Why didnt Hagler dare to be great?

The last person you should be talking about going up in weight is Floyd. He's went up in weight higher than 99% of the guys in boxing. Its funnny how Floyd is a very small WW, is demanded to go up and fight a super huge JR. MW who is bigger than most MW's. If he doesnt then he's a coward.

At the same exact time I see people make threads sometimes asking how a guy like Trout would do against triple G. All the responses say he shouldnt move up because he will get killed. The same Trout who is bigger than most MW's but he cant even go up 1 division. He's not a coward though. Floyd is small, goes to 5 and he's a coward. You people are sooo funny

Well nice try for putting words into my mouth. You totally misunderstood my point, but perhaps it's my fault. I'll comment on your post first though. The Trout/Mayweather example, fine. You want to treat Trout the same way as Mayweather, then fine. Don't talk him up to be any different then. You expect more from Mayweather has hes supposed to be the greatest of our generation, and is it really a big ask to make a fight in a division he's fought at twice, for world titles? You demand Mayweather be treat as an ATG yet argue how he's treat differently, it really astounds me. Like you said "you people are sooo funny" (gotta put in a highhorse comment in somewhere otherwise its not a certified NSB post)

My example was RJJ. He moved up a lot of divisions too, so I thought the example was pretty relevant. He dared to move up to HW and made history. I want to try put Mayweather in the same circle as RJJ, like people argue I should, but just like Pacquiao, it's just not the same. I argued he should dare to be great. Daring to become the lineal 154 champion? Why is that so far-fetched to you people? RJJ started off at 154, but we don't hear very many people use the same logic for him at 175. 160 is too big for a small guy like Floyd, but he'd sure get a hell of lot more respect for trying, like RJJ did. Instead, we have todays era of boxing of careful matchmaking, weight advantages etc etc.. He excelled where he expect him to, not dared to excel where we don't expect, and that's why i'll always respect RJJ more.

How many as Froch been in? 1. He made his entire career at 168. And he's a small supermiddleweight, so I mean, I hope you don't want to contradict your logic here. This example was pretty bad, but I understand your point so I won't nitpick. Froch fought anyone in his division back-to-back. I'm more than happy to call him great for doing that. But Mayweather hasn't really campaigned a division like that. He moves up weights instead, too different a career to compare. The 160+ divisions currently are also far less dynamic than 135-147. Not sure why, but it's just there.

If Mayweather did what Froch is doing at 168, he'd probably have the biggest fanbase in boxing history. No ducking accusations (as logically, he'd have fought everyone at 147) and we wouldn't have to worry about him at 154 as it isn't his division. But because of his weight moving career, people come out of the woodwork to try argue he is a career 147er, just as Froch as a career 168er. It's illogical. I could go on all day, but i'll give it a rest

[Bigg Rigg]

Well nice try for putting words into my mouth. You totally misunderstood my point, but perhaps it's my fault. I'll comment on your post first though. The Trout/Mayweather example, fine. You want to treat Trout the same way as Mayweather, then fine. Don't talk him up to be any different then. You expect more from Mayweather has hes supposed to be the greatest of our generation, and is it really a big ask to make a fight in a division he's fought at twice, for world titles? You demand Mayweather be treat as an ATG yet argue how he's treat differently, it really astounds me. Like you said "you people are sooo funny" (gotta put in a highhorse comment in somewhere otherwise its not a certified NSB post)

My example was RJJ. He moved up a lot of divisions too, so I thought the example was pretty relevant. He dared to move up to HW and made history. I want to try put Mayweather in the same circle as RJJ, like people argue I should, but just like Pacquiao, it's just not the same. I argued he should dare to be great. Daring to become the lineal 154 champion? Why is that so far-fetched to you people? RJJ started off at 154, but we don't hear very many people use the same logic for him at 175. 160 is too big for a small guy like Floyd, but he'd sure get a hell of lot more respect for trying, like RJJ did. Instead, we have todays era of boxing of careful matchmaking, weight advantages etc etc.. He excelled where he expect him to, not dared to excel where we don't expect, and that's why i'll always respect RJJ more.

How many as Froch been in? 1. He made his entire career at 168. And he's a small supermiddleweight, so I mean, I hope you don't want to contradict your logic here. This example was pretty bad, but I understand your point so I won't nitpick. Froch fought anyone in his division back-to-back. I'm more than happy to call him great for doing that. But Mayweather hasn't really campaigned a division like that. He moves up weights instead, too different a career to compare. The 160+ divisions currently are also far less dynamic than 135-147. Not sure why, but it's just there.

If Mayweather did what Froch is doing at 168, he'd probably have the biggest fanbase in boxing history. No ducking accusations (as logically, he'd have fought everyone at 147) and we wouldn't have to worry about him at 154 as it isn't his division. But because of his weight moving career, people come out of the woodwork to try argue he is a career 147er, just as Froch as a career 168er. It's illogical. I could go on all day, but i'll give it a rest

Unless u think Canelo is 5x better then Ruiz was, I'd say Roy moving up from 175 to HW to fight him is way more respectable then Floyd fighting A FELLOW CHAMPION AT JR MW.

[Drunk Punch]

Mayweather has earned the right to do whatever-the-Floyd he likes. 160 to please the fan boys is just crazy at this point in his career. Is it his fault he's so dominant at 147?

[Rolaz]

Floyd Jr can't do, what Boxing critics wants him to do, say whom he wants to fight.