Comments Thread For: Showtime: Mayweather-Guerrero PPV a Financial Success

[rogdogx]

Let me know when the numbers are concrete.

[chargerhemi06]

They are covering up...ppv is purchased electronically now and the numbers shouldnt take no more than a few days. I mean its not like they have to count paper receipts. If they can count the votes for a presidential election within a day then it shouldnt take long to count ppv buys.

[junior gong]

you are obsessed lol, i see u in ever floyd thread just calling him cherrypicker. did he **** your sister or something?

time to get off the computer buddy

And you're in every floyd thread kissing his ass.

[JJRod]

They are covering up...ppv is purchased electronically now and the numbers shouldnt take no more than a few days. I mean its not like they have to count paper receipts. If they can count the votes for a presidential election within a day then it shouldnt take long to count ppv buys.

I was thinking the exact same thing you just posted.

[anonymous2.0]

So here's what I gathered.

- Showtime needs 1.2 mil to break even. This is a rumor with an unconfirmed source.
- Showtime did over a million buys. This is a rumor with an unconfirmed source.
- Showtime did less then a million buys. This is a rumor with an unconfirmed source.

Wait till something set in stone comes out, not what hearsay says.

[budfr]

Who cares how much money did the fight generate?? That only proves how much brainwashed is the public. Floyd is marketed as " the return of the p4p king ", ( he is not ) " the undefeated " ( should have two losses ), " the best " ( he is not), he has also appeared on TV like he is a celebrity due to the fact he is American ( Martinez, Canelo, Paquiao, Marquez, Donaire, are foreign or considered foreign ). People tend to believe a lie if it´s repeated many times. He also does something bad like hitting women, making racial statements yet they are considered " great " for his marketability and we live in a capitalist world where a bad thing can be considered good if it generates money. Also, many peopl pay to watch Floyd´s rival, not Floyd. Cotto, Canelo, Martinez, Chavez, Paquiao, etc have more fans even if not all of them pay ppv. Martinez just had 50 000 spectators, canelo 40 000, Chavez had vs Camacho 100 000. Add to that the number of fans in the US nad their country.....Floyd is an overhyped product of US capitalism, period.

[Prime 407]

Actually I'm not angry because I don't care what the PPV does personally, I bought and enjoyed it. I do find it annoying how much hyper Canelo gets for doing almost nothing his entire career. The only time PPV are relevant is when it comes to setting up a fight between two A side fighters (may-pac) luckily Canelo is B side so it shouldn't be an issue. You seem to call 1+mil a failure yet hype canelo who got the same number to watch him for free. Its hypocrisy at it's finest.

You paid for that snoozefest against a clearly over matched opponent? Your the reason floyd keeps getting away with fighting easy fights, most people in this thread who hope the fight does poorly are doing so because its the only way we'll actually start to get fights we want to see.

[ThePrince]

Is Showtime/CBS guaranteeing the money for Floyd? I know in the past he used to get his own financing for his guarantees, so he was entitled to a lot more of the revenue from the fight. If the network is fronting the guarantees and the deal structure more closely resembles a classic model, then we can pretty easily figure out what the make or break point is for CBS.

Guarantee- $36 million
Cost to produce All Access- $2 million (estimate based on $1.4 million figure for 24/7 in 2007 source: Thomas Hauser 'An Unforgiving Sport')
Cost to produce Mayweather specials: $4 million (based on tvbythenumbers.com estimate for 1 hour drama production cost)
Promotion Fees: $10 million (Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/sp...ydmayweatherjr)

So the costs added all up are in the neighborhood of $52 million for CBS/Showtime for this fight.

Revenue
PPV sales: $65 million (based on 1 million buys at $60-$70 per)
Gate: $9.9 million
Closed Circuit: $416, 650
Total: c. $75.4 million

The distributors get around 50% of the PPV revenue, so about $33 million. That leaves $42.4 million for CBS/Show/GBP/Mayweather.

That means everyone lost about $10 million on this promotion (not counting Floyd whose money was guaranteed) if the fight pulled in 1 mil buys. And that's why Fat Dan says the fight needed to do 1.1-1.2 mil to just break even.

Now you know why HBO turned down this ridiculous deal. They probably laughed in Haymon's face when he told them he wanted $30 mil+/fight guaranteed for Floyd to put on glorified sparring matches. Show was probably just desperate to snag him so they agreed to whatever nonsense he wrote on a piece of paper. Now they are desperately pushing for him to fight someone worthy of their investment. Hopefully Floyd doesn't flake on them, he's been known to take 'vacations' and go on faux retirements unexpectedly

[ssc73]

Who cares how much money did the fight generate?? That only proves how much brainwashed is the public. Floyd is marketed as " the return of the p4p king ", ( he is not ) " the undefeated " ( should have two losses ), " the best " ( he is not), he has also appeared on TV like he is a celebrity due to the fact he is American ( Martinez, Canelo, Paquiao, Marquez, Donaire, are foreign or considered foreign ). People tend to believe a lie if it´s repeated many times. He also does something bad like hitting women, making racial statements yet they are considered " great " for his marketability and we live in a capitalist world where a bad thing can be considered good if it generates money. Also, many peopl pay to watch Floyd´s rival, not Floyd. Cotto, Canelo, Martinez, Chavez, Paquiao, etc have more fans even if not all of them pay ppv. Martinez just had 50 000 spectators, canelo 40 000, Chavez had vs Camacho 100 000. Add to that the number of fans in the US nad their country.....Floyd is an overhyped product of US capitalism, period.

Ummmmm..............are you a Communist or something?

I know a lot of people believe that Floyd lost the first fight to Castillo.........about as many think Manny lost at least three if not all four fights to Marquez........but when it's flipped, Pac fans say 'wish all you want, look at the record book'........

I don't even know if you're a Pacquaio fan...........but....if Floyd isn't the best......who is? The only one that can even be considered in the same league at this point would be Ward.......and he's good, love the guy, but Broner has the talent to be even better.......but neither have reached Mayweather's level. Yet.

Ward is getting closer every time out. Not there yet though...pretty sure even he'd acknowledge that. And that's an EXTREME minority opinion that a guy is no longer the best until it's clearly proven in the ring. How or when did that happen?

Everybody's brainwashed but you? I've seen fighters that speak English on plenty of American talk shows (Pacquiao,Ward..should they have translators for others?)...........

Most puzzling..........If Floyd has two losses, can you tell me who the second was assuming that you count Castillo as the first?? Because every other one of his fights haven't been remotely close and my eyes aren't washed.......

You're lost my friend. It's pretty normal for the highest draw in sports to warrant a little press, whether you feel he earned it or not, and for the best fighter in the world who is also American, to be on a bit of TV........if Floyd switched eras with Whitaker, he'd have a much tougher time making what he does with stacked MW and HW divisions along with Tyson, Toney and Chavez knocking everyone the frock out not to mention the emergence of Oscar, Roy Jones and Trinidad......but all those KO's don't make the best fighter.....

Clearly the best through that era.........at the very least up until Jones v Toney, Whitaker was better than all of them. But didn't have the kind of chance Floyd does to draw with all the people getting KTFO.......Take out all that other talent and leave only Chavez and Whitaker and maybe P does better.

So Mayweather is a bit fortunate in timing. NOT his fault to be in an era with NO HW division and he's done a great job building his brand..........but why is that a bad thing? I wish those that came before made what he is....but he's in the right place at the right time.....and he's managed to pull this off by having a level of talent a class above everyone since Tarver landed that LH on Jones......

I'd love to see Floyd knocking everyone out. I think if he'd let it go in the later rounds, he could potentially have KO'd everyone since Hatton.....but he doesn't owe me that risk.........you seem to want to shame him for being smart??


Be proud........it takes some real out-there SHtuff to get me to post on here.....

[MC Hammer]

They'll never break even on this deal and they don't intend to. This is a loss leader deal. They know Mayweather will bring an addition to their market. You guys saw how every star on their line ups was at the fight getting some kind of promotion.