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  • vacon04
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    #131
    Originally posted by Simurgh
    Only under very rare occasions it will be stored as fats (in case of lipogenesis). That doesn't normally happen. You would need to take very small amounts of fat and very high amounts of carbs for extended period of time.

    Body is excellent at modulating the carbohydrate usage (it controls insulin levels very well). Body wants to use all the carbs that one takes. It's also more likely that carbs will be stored as muscle or liver glycogen than a fat in fat cells.

    To have 300 gr of unspent gycogen you would need to take a huge amounts of carbs (700-800gr per day) and almost none fats.
    The body only has a limited amount of glycogen to store, I take back the 300 grams, I checked that number and it was more of 400 grams ... so If you already have your muscles filled with glycogen then the body will start to convert carbs into fat via glycolysis.

    And lipogenesis will start if you eat a lot of carbs. Why? Because when you eat carbs the glycolysis process will start, which will create certain subproducts, including acetyl-CoA, which will be used by lipogenesis to create fat.

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    • APBrooklyn
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      #132
      If I ever take a nutrition class I'm just going to copy this thread and use it as my cheatsheat.....thanks for this knowledgeable 'back n forth' guys.....ANYWAY...back to the fight. I'm looking forward to seein Floyd give an accurate-like whoopin to Ol' Ghosty- See u @ Mandalay @ the closed circuit telecast- (better than overpaying for a real ticket every single time btw)

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      • Simurgh
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        #133
        Originally posted by vacon04
        The body only has a limited amount of glycogen to store, I take back the 300 grams, I checked that number and it was more of 400 grams ... so If you already have your muscles filled with glycogen then the body will start to convert carbs into fat via glycolysis.

        And lipogenesis will start if you eat a lot of carbs. Why? Because when you eat carbs the glycolysis process will start, which will create certain subproducts, including acetyl-CoA, which will be used by lipogenesis to create fat.
        And these 400gr are above the amount that you spend on a daily basis as carbs are the first thing body wants to spend. So we are looking at something more like 800gr of carbs for an average man. And this is for multiple days.

        Practically it won't happen.
        Last edited by Simurgh; 04-30-2013, 07:31 PM.

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        • MindBat
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          #134
          Floyd done started a religious debate about weight loss and nutrition.

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          • vacon04
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            #135
            Originally posted by Simurgh
            And these 400gr are above the amount that you spend on a daily basis as carbs are the first thing body wants to spend. So we are looking at something more like 800gr of carbs for an average man. And this is for multiple days.

            Practically it won't happen.
            You must not forget that glycogen is not depleted if you're not using it, so the glycogen stored in the muscles is going to stay there.

            So if the next day after you filled your muscles and liver with glycogen then the body will start taking first free glucose as an energy source, then it will try to store it as glycogen, but as your muscles and liver already have stored amounts of glycogen then it will start to transform into fat.

            Also if we're talking about sedentary people then the levels of glucose required by the body are going to be very low, therefore making the body use a lot more of free glucose instead of glycogen, and then again starting the process of converting glucose into fat.

            And again, eating carbs will start glycolysis which will start lipogenesis which will create fat.

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            • mathed
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              #136
              Why do guys who drink a lot of beer develop a "beer gut"? There is virtually no fat in beer, only carbs, water, and ethyl alcohol.

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              • Simurgh
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                #137
                Originally posted by vacon04
                You must not forget that glycogen is not depleted if you're not using it, so the glycogen stored in the muscles is going to stay there.

                So if the next day after you filled your muscles and liver with glycogen then the body will start taking first free glucose as an energy source, then it will try to store it as glycogen, but as your muscles and liver already have stored amounts of glycogen then it will start to transform into fat.

                Also if we're talking about sedentary people then the levels of glucose required by the body are going to be very low, therefore making the body use a lot more of free glucose instead of glycogen, and then again starting the process of converting glucose into fat.

                And again, eating carbs will start glycolysis which will start lipogenesis which will create fat.
                But everybody is using muscles - even sedentary people. If you are regular guy (walk to your garage, go to shop, walk around), you'll use it.

                If you're talking about, as I said, a massive amounts of carbs every day (800+ gr) and on top of that you are not using it, of course you can get in stage of lipogenesis. But speaking about normal active people (not athletes) that won't happen.

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                • gasolina92
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                  #138
                  Originally posted by mathed
                  Why do guys who drink a lot of beer develop a "beer gut"? There is virtually no fat in beer, only carbs, water, and ethyl alcohol.
                  Exactly light beer has about 100 calories have about 6 with ur regular food ur 600 calories over ur caloric intake limit times 6 days a week thats 3600 over ur limit which is about a pound of fat and thats just for light beer further *****g my arguement that calories make u fat

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                  • Muscles72
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                    #139
                    Originally posted by mathed
                    Why do guys who drink a lot of beer develop a "beer gut"? There is virtually no fat in beer, only carbs, water, and ethyl alcohol.
                    Because in excess it converts to sugars yeah and these guys crack me up they drink a case of Michelob ultra on Saturday nights better to just drink a six pack of corona's and call it a night. It tastes better anyway.

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                    • rayb112
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                      #140
                      Originally posted by gasolina92
                      I can guarantee you guys if you measured your food excatly that you would loose the exact same amount of fat from eating 1000 calories of str8 sugar as you would with 1000 calories of brocoli. there is no denying the brocoli has more fiber and vitamins but there would be do difference in BODY COMPOSITION that the whole point. but its just advice you could eat your healthy brocoli and brown rice but im gonna go eat this slice of pizza
                      And if you did you would become a type 2 diabetic...but I'm sure you KNOW all about how your pancreas and insulin work!!!

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